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Ukrainian Drones Are Burning Down Russia's Oil and Gas Industry

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Re: Ukrainian Drones Are Burning Down Russia's Oil and Gas Industry

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This seems like a wunderwaffen propaganda narrative, just like the Javelins that will end the war. Ukraine is failing. All of its major offensives have failed. It will continue to fail as the Gazan conflict has soaked up its primary source of armaments. Russia is not a competent state. It's rife with corruption and skimming that will make the response to this heavily delayed. But what the article neglects to mention…

> This seems like a wunderwaffen propaganda narrative, just like the Javelins that will end the war. The columns of wrecked and burned down Russian tanks and APCs beg to differ. Some of us still recall Russia hastily retreat from the north and North East of Ukraine because it failed to consider the effectiveness of Ukraine's defensise strategy, which owe much to the inflow of weapons like the Javelin. > Ukraine is fa…

> What a weird definition of failing.

> I wonder if you call Russia's invasion of Ukraine a success.

Ukraine already lost 20% of its territory, territory it won't get back and hundreds of thousands of its men with nothing to show for it other than wreckage and devastation. More territorial losses are possible in the coming year. The after-effects will be present for decades to come turning Ukraine into a failed state.

What do you call that other than an epic fail?

Re: Ukrainian Drones Are Burning Down Russia's Oil and Gas Industry

#12
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This seems like a wunderwaffen propaganda narrative, just like the Javelins that will end the war. The columns of wrecked and burned down Russian tanks and APCs beg to differ. Some of us still recall Russia hastily retreat from the north and North East of Ukraine because it failed to consider the effectiveness of Ukraine's defensise strategy, which owe much to the inflow of weapons like the Javelin. > Ukraine is fa…

> What a weird definition of failing. > I wonder if you call Russia's invasion of Ukraine a success. Ukraine already lost 20% of its territory, territory it won't get back and hundreds of thousands of its men with nothing to show for it other than wreckage and devastation. More territorial losses are possible in the coming year. The after-effects will be present for decades to come turning Ukraine into a failed state…

> What do you call that other than an epic fail?

Lack of imagination on the doomsayers side perhaps?

Re: Ukrainian Drones Are Burning Down Russia's Oil and Gas Industry

#13
post #8

This is one of those things that I have wondered as a commoner who doesn’t have much clue about defense systems or war strategies.. Why aren’t countries all around the world flooding Ukraine with spare parts to make cheap drones of various sizes for Ukraine to simply flood the war torn region with hundreds of flying objects of which a small percentage are loaded with payloads that can strike? That way, the target spa…

War is run bureaucratically and with political aims in mind, so it doesn't proceed with the efficiency you might be able to apply to a chess match or a video game. If you examine what happens on the front lines of the Ukraine conflict in day-by-day summaries(of which there are a few Youtubers who regularly post videos), by this point in the war, both sides have some degree of war exhaustion. They don't want to commit…

> The escalation in targets is a gradual thing. The early war was intended to be a bloodless takeover. When that didn't work, Russia moved towards destruction of civilian infrastructure, demoralization and subjugation. Russia's fighting doctrine and equipment favors this - it is not precise like the NATO stuff.

I've read somewhere that the point of Russia's war crime-driven war doctrine is to basically torture and genocide the nations they attack and invade so that they serve as a cautionary tale for any prospective breakaway regions and countries they feel should be their vassal states. This is in line with all the civilian massacres Russia committed in Ukraine, systematic rape and torture of civilians, as well as their intentional targeting of critical civilian infrastructure.

Re: Ukrainian Drones Are Burning Down Russia's Oil and Gas Industry

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Why don’t other countries have huge programs to manufacture millions of drones? The coming war in the pacific will feature drone swarms.

You do realize that anti ship missiles and anti air missiles already exist? What kind of ground targets do you expect to hit with your drone swarms in the middle of the ocean?

Aircraft carriers.

Re: Ukrainian Drones Are Burning Down Russia's Oil and Gas Industry

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This seems like a wunderwaffen propaganda narrative, just like the Javelins that will end the war. The columns of wrecked and burned down Russian tanks and APCs beg to differ. Some of us still recall Russia hastily retreat from the north and North East of Ukraine because it failed to consider the effectiveness of Ukraine's defensise strategy, which owe much to the inflow of weapons like the Javelin. > Ukraine is fa…

> What a weird definition of failing. > I wonder if you call Russia's invasion of Ukraine a success. Ukraine already lost 20% of its territory, territory it won't get back and hundreds of thousands of its men with nothing to show for it other than wreckage and devastation. More territorial losses are possible in the coming year. The after-effects will be present for decades to come turning Ukraine into a failed state…

> with nothing to show for it

It’s still an independent state, which is something.

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