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Expert sounds alarm on new wave of US opioids crisis

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Re: Expert sounds alarm on new wave of US opioids crisis

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Just make high quality opioids easy to get already. It should be as common as beer. The present system is deranged.

How does that stop OD?

It doesn’t stop OD, but it reduces OD because it eliminates one type of very common OD: people taking seemingly safe quantities of drugs that have been laced with fentanyl.

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Believe it or not, this concept of having strong pain killers available to the public is somewhat American-centric. Much of Europe does not consider the need for strong pain killers available in society, and pain tolerance is quite different in, for example Germany or the Netherlands, where it has been nearly impossible to get anything strong for pain for many decades.

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Just make high quality opioids easy to get already. It should be as common as beer. The present system is deranged.

How does that stop OD?

Here's how.

If you have good opioids in hand then there's no need to buy opioids of uncertain strength from dubious sources. Thus your dosage is more controllable.

If your supply is reliable then there is no seesaw of deprivation when you're out and overindulgence when you're flush.

For further data, apply the same logic that keeps people from oding on alchohol.

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Drugs aren’t a solution, they’re just treating the symptom not the cause. It might help for a short while, but all you’re doing is delaying having to deal with your shit; it also gets harder the longer you leave it.

Been there, got all the shirts, there’s no shortcut to getting out of it.

You got this.

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"Oxycontin was misclassified due to fraudulent reportings of the drug's capabilities and marketing campaign. However that should have never affected people getting legit pain care, but it definitely did."

What does legit pain care look like? Does it include the prescription of narcotics to outpatients on an ongoing basis, or for more than a couple days? While the safety of oxycontin was misrepresented, I assume there are still some problems with how other narcotics are administered to outpatients.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that stop OD?

Here's how. If you have good opioids in hand then there's no need to buy opioids of uncertain strength from dubious sources. Thus your dosage is more controllable. If your supply is reliable then there is no seesaw of deprivation when you're out and overindulgence when you're flush. For further data, apply the same logic that keeps people from oding on alchohol.

And then what? Does overall opioid use go up? Or do you believe it would stay the same?

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I agree with the conclusion of your argument. Everyone does deserve to die with dignity. That said, now doesn’t have to be the “right” time for you.

You should consider talking to someone with experience with these feelings. You can call 988 and talk through the logic. There are lots of people who felt the way you’re describing and came to conclude a different path was actually better in the meantime.

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Drugs aren’t a solution, they’re just treating the symptom not the cause. It might help for a short while, but all you’re doing is delaying having to deal with your shit; it also gets harder the longer you leave it. Been there, got all the shirts, there’s no shortcut to getting out of it. You got this.

Drugs are great. You are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. There's nothing morally wrong with not wanting to participate in a society based on suffering and exploitation of poor people in far away places.

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Believe it or not, this concept of having strong pain killers available to the public is somewhat American-centric. Much of Europe does not consider the need for strong pain killers available in society, and pain tolerance is quite different in, for example Germany or the Netherlands, where it has been nearly impossible to get anything strong for pain for many decades.

While it’s definitely more difficult to have more pain, it also guides your recovery much better. You are much more aware of what you should or shouldn’t be doing while you rehabilitate, instead of numbing everything.

Unless it’s absolutely chronic pain, I think we’ve definitely over prescribed even in Europe. (Source: german)

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