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The IPCC 6 says "It is very unlikely that gas clathrates (mostly methane) in deeper terrestrial permafrost and subsea clathrates will lead to a detectable departure from the emissions trajectory during this century". Your pessimism may be trendy but it isn't supported by the bear available evidence.
Don't misunderstand me here. I'd rather be wrong regarding my "doomism," and I no longer worry about climate change; it doesn't make sense to worry about something that can't be changed. However, I observe that people aren't scared enough to take action. They continue to dance around the issue in political euphoria. The changes to our lifestyle are happening too slowly to be effective. The gas and oil industry is doi…
I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
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i don't think overpopulation is the problem, but maybe it's a symptom. the problem is we've forced our way up to an unrealistically high standard of living which is completely unsustainable, and now we're trapped in an inescapable death spiral because nobody wants to go back. people aren't willing to stop paying for conveniences because they're cheaply available, corporations aren't willing to stop selling them becau…
"Standards of living" are not some kind of homogeneous global state. The true hard pill to swallow is that YOUR (and a few others') standard of living is unsustainable.
my standard of living is very sustainable. i don't drive, i don't eat meat, i rarely eat dairy, my electricity is 100% renewably sourced, i recycle diligently, i heat my home to the absolute bare mininum temperature required to be liveable and rely on wearing extra layers for warmth, i don't spend hours using power-hungry entertainment devices, i've been wearing the same shoes and clothes for ~4-5 years and i only replace things when they completely break, or if replacing it allows me to use less energy or be less wasteful in the future. it's not hard.
some of the "innocent poor countries" you're talking about are the worst offenders for deforestation, pollution, and other habitat destruction. get off of your high horse, we are all responsible for the state of the planet we live on.
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Humanity not surviving? That seems completely unlinked to any sort of scientific consensus.
Oh... How many mass extinction events have humanity survived as a species so far? I would also like to see this data... pretty please?
You're in one right now.
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> What is stoicism
I've never seen anyone successfully beat anxiety with stoicism. How does it work?
Be mindful of where you focus your attention.
Focus on what’s actionnable right now, be prepared but never anticipate nor procrastinate. Don’t worry about that which you can’t control. Be humble about what you think you control.
This is just a tribute to the stoic philosophy. I recommend reading the classics. You can start with this article.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#465I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…
Uh... Finland could be one of the bigger victims of global warming. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlant...
Just here[0] they say that that’s a myth. I don‘t know what to believe anymore.
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#466I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…
The IPCC 6 says "It is very unlikely that gas clathrates (mostly methane) in deeper terrestrial permafrost and subsea clathrates will lead to a detectable departure from the emissions trajectory during this century". Your pessimism may be trendy but it isn't supported by the bear available evidence.
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If shit hits the fan everywhere else but North Europe remains safe - will it be business as usual there? Won't hundreds of millions of people (or more) from India, China and Africa flee to to wherever is safe?
> If shit hits the fan everywhere else but North Europe remains safe - will it be business as usual there? No, it will still suck, but it'll be the kind of suck you can survive without fleeing. Unless the thermohaline circulation changes significantly, in which case the northern Mediterranean coast starts to look like Toronto, Paris starts to look like Vancouver, and Scandinavia starts to look like Anchorage. > Won't…
> No, it will still suck, but it'll be the kind of suck you can survive without fleeing
Still. Moving now to North Europe because maybe 30 years from now you'll have to move? Why not wait it out and see if you have to move? The whole thing is one huge speculation. There's no telling if Finland will be secure since its quite weak militarily. And we we don't really know what's gonna happen - we have models with very differing scenarios.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#468I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…
Uh... Finland could be one of the bigger victims of global warming. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlant...
Yeah, the AMOC collapse predictions are interesting.
I'd love to see a much colder Finland, personally, since I want to know what a developed country that has 6 months of winter feels and looks like from the inside. But I do agree that for most people here it would be unfortunate.
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While you may be technically true, it is obviously clear that some places are far safer than others, and moving to another place will have a very high impact on how global warming affects you, as some regions will be affected much more harshly than others. At the extreme, some places may be underwater or otherwise uninhabitable, but if you can afford to, moving away from them in a timely manner, you can escape being…
Second order effects will be the killer. It won’t be the coastal flooding, it will be the dispossessed hordes. It won’t be the uninhabitable areas, it will be the rapid rise in price of food staples. No matter where you are, the chaos will come to your door, when it comes. Takes surprisingly little to collapse a civilisation when you kick its knees out from under it.
I agree, but there is a meaningful difference between having dispossessed hordes on your doorstep and being among those dispossessed hordes having to find a place for yourself; and if the price of grain doubles, for a poor community that means starvation while a wealthy community would barely notice.
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While you may be technically true, it is obviously clear that some places are far safer than others, and moving to another place will have a very high impact on how global warming affects you, as some regions will be affected much more harshly than others. At the extreme, some places may be underwater or otherwise uninhabitable, but if you can afford to, moving away from them in a timely manner, you can escape being…
Second order effects will be the killer. It won’t be the coastal flooding, it will be the dispossessed hordes. It won’t be the uninhabitable areas, it will be the rapid rise in price of food staples. No matter where you are, the chaos will come to your door, when it comes. Takes surprisingly little to collapse a civilisation when you kick its knees out from under it.
I always tell my gun-hoarding, go-box toting, bug-out planning prepper friends the same thing. You don't have enough guns and ammo to stop the masses coming for your canned pork'n'beans.