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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by graphe »

lozenge wrote: post #246
guyomes wrote: post #214

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> I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis This has been studied long time ago by scientists such as Alfred Sauvy [1], who concluded that overpopulation is not the cause of sustainability crisis, and that greenhouse gas is the major cause. In particular, limiting the growth of population has few impact on the production of greenhouse gas, whereas changing the means of energy production a…

Sustainable means different things to different people. In a simulator, could you have 12 billion people with their needs met, living fulfilled lives and continuing into the far future? Yes. Is there a political and practical way to reach that state? No. "One study estimates it would take just over 5 Earths to support the human population if everyone’s consumption patterns were similar to the average American." Any U…

I'm not sure why they think Americans are a good standard of living. If we want people to be 30+ percent obese, unhappy with dating and the stuff we ordered to have shipped yesterday.

There's programs to give efficient LEDs from comed to people for changing it slowly.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by goatlover »

_y5hn wrote: post #224
CalRobert wrote: post #208

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Ok, but are they wrong?

They are correct: Daily Sea Surface Temperature (notice the new paradigm started in 2023 and extending into 2024): https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/ Daily Surface Air Temperature: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/?dm_id=world Daily Sea Ice Extent (click on "Show Southern Hemisphere", also showing concerns of being low in 2023): https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/seaice/ The most shocking is the…

Is 1+ enough of a trend to disregard most of the models? Is there no other explanation for the "new paradigm" of accelerating warming? You're saying that extreme warming scenario is now the correct science. I don't think there is a consensus about this.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by flir »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #305
flir wrote: post #260

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> We can't colonize Greenland or Antarctica due to the lack of fertile soil Just on this example, you can physically pick soil up and move it. Enough for 9bn people? No. Enough for 100k? Yes.

I've thought about this as well. It's feasible to move soil only to certain regions. Greenland and Antarctica aren't among them (remember the ice shields; they will continue to scrape all the soil as they melt). Some islands in Antarctic Ocean could potentially sustain a population of 20-40k. However, you need to start moving the soil now, but you will also need to develop methods of preserving this soil until it is…

Aren't we hypothesizing a situation where there is no (or a much reduced) Greenland ice sheet? I'm imagining "hey, look at all this bare rock that's suddenly available, and it's gonna take a couple of thousand years for erosion and lichen to develop soil here, so lets take a short cut".

I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm saying it's a theoretically possible idea in the face of an extinction-level event.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by bananaflag »

skitout wrote: post #324
bananaflag wrote: post #304

I no longer worry about climate because of AI. I think AI will either save us all or doom us all before the climate doom really starts.

We have a lot of existing stuff ("political stuff" like cabron pricing, or "technological" stuff like double glazing or heat pump) that already make sense economically that we don't use fully. How AI deeply impact it ?

By removing agency from humans.

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Post by floodle »

cies wrote: post #251

I used to worry about climate (80s), now I dont (20s). Why? 1. Too many lies. In the 80s the water level was rising, but it didn't. Then acid rains would kill all, but did not. Then ... 2. I cannot change it. Using fossils (or other tech with big "environmental" impact) is a great way to scale business. The "economy God" is to important to actually go an fix the problem. That why we see no real solutions being implem…

> This way the market will solve the problem

Capitalism has shown itself to have a complete inability to correctly price in the value of ecosystem services and the costs of environmental externalities. The profit cycle also operates on too small a timeframe for these climate issues.

Thinking the market will save us is just a convienient pipe dream.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by quickthrower2 »

thelastgallon wrote: post #146
9dev wrote: post #135

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Just you wait, the effects are subtle and interlinked. If the bees eventually go extinct (which is happening right now), most plant species on earth will cease to exist. This includes fruit trees, but also a boundless number of plants animals need as food sources; animals that have other responsibilities in their ecosystems, like fertilizing the soil, transporting nutrients, and devouring vermin. Earth is inhabitable…

“Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.” https://www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a16995

Let’s write the final score on the earth in giant digits so it can be immortalized.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by goatlover »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #305
flir wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't colonize Greenland or Antarctica due to the lack of fertile soil Just on this example, you can physically pick soil up and move it. Enough for 9bn people? No. Enough for 100k? Yes.

I've thought about this as well. It's feasible to move soil only to certain regions. Greenland and Antarctica aren't among them (remember the ice shields; they will continue to scrape all the soil as they melt). Some islands in Antarctic Ocean could potentially sustain a population of 20-40k. However, you need to start moving the soil now, but you will also need to develop methods of preserving this soil until it is…

There's lots of room in Northern US, Canada and Russia. Not sure why Greenland and Antartica would be the only living places on Earth. There's also the Rockies, Andes, Himalayas and other mountain ranges. That's some extreme doomerism. I doubt most of Earth will become uninhabitable. Some places will be harder to maintain larger populations and grow crops.

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Post by graphe »

127361 wrote: post #185
haizhung wrote: post #151

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It’s not really taboo, it is being mentioned in, like, the comments on every 2nd post on climate change. The problem with this line of thinking (and similar ones like „what about China?“) is that it basically absolves you from any responsibility in the matter. After all, there are simply too many people on the planet, what could you possibly do about it? As other commenters pointed out - the west uses way too many re…

I'm super super low carbon footprint, personally. All ARM-based computers here, just Raspberry PIs and tablets, that can run from a portable solar panel if I want. Very few possessions too. I love coding and freedom so much more that having stuff. And even more so when doing so in the forest, amongst nature.

When was your last flight and what's your usual mode of transportation? Transportation and heating/cooling use the most.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by badpun »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

> We can't colonize Greenland or Antarctica due to the lack of fertile soil, and it would take thousands of years to develop it.

I wonder if it would be possible to rip soil off places that are no longer habitable and transport it to Antarctica.

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Post by slaw »

jhoechtl wrote: post #249
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

I am glad that I survived oil outage, sour rain, the Ozone hole, mass famine because of overpopulation. All in a lifetime. I must have had sheer luck.

Recently I survived covid exponential deaths apocalypse and Al Gore's sea levels rising in 2016.
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