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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I think there's 2 topics that need to be held apart here: 1) Limiting number of children in rich countries. This is what your links talk about I think. Yes, perhaps there is a taboo in place here. Is that relevant to sustainability crisis though? Population is already declining in rich countries, quite naturally. 2) Limiting number of children in poorer countries. Well, as in the article pointed to in a sibling comme…

> are you not saying that it may be better that 10 poor people are not born, than for rich people to do minor changes to their lifestyle? I definitely would say that and would argue it needs to be way more than 10. If you want to solve manmade climate change you need to solve the demand for goods that cause it. You lower demand by increasing the the supply (can't do that because that increases the emissions you try b…

> You lower demand by increasing the the supply

Jevon's Paradox[1] states that as efficiency increases (which itself is a form of supply increase), demand increases.

My own view is that the paradox makes the idea of population reduction moot, those remaining humans would simply use more energy because supply has gone up and demand (through lack of competition) going down to levels below supply would, again, drive prices down.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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@dang Is it just my impression that HN is drifting rigtwards on this topic? I remember HN being more in favour of proactive action against anthropic climate change. This thread feels dominated by attitudes reflecting inaction.

Aging userbase? People get to a certain age, realise they'll probably outlive problems then just start campaigning for whatever will give them the best rest of their life. Seems to kick in quite early now too, like 35.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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TL;DR Climate models are showing that a parameter (ECS aka “climate sensitivity”) has been increasing since 2019. This parameter determines how much temperature increase can be expected if atmospheric CO2 doubles.

Not quite. We don't know the correct value for the ECS, and estimates for that value have been increasing in the last 5 years. Higher sensitivity means a higher temperature per extra carbon in the air.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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What's wrong with waterfront properties?

My all-time favorite response to this problem was I think from Ben Shapiro who said that people who experience flooding should just sell their houses and buy somewhere else and it won't be any big deal. Lol.

https://youtu.be/0-w-pdqwiBw

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

This might just be the same thing as apocalyptic religious predictions, I think? But environmentalism this time?

https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/25/is-everything-a-religi...

But that said, religious apocalypse scenarios usually aren't quite as specific as "methane hydrate runaway feedbacks".

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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> Weird. I used to worry about climate change and now I don’t. That's funny! I was going to start my post with the exact same sentence! But for a totally different reason: I'm now convinced that there is no stopping the massive destruction of the natural environemnt. A much MUCH bigger problem than that of the climate alone. I'm not a "doomer", I'm a "realist". It's clear at this point that the world's ownership clas…

It's clear at this point that the world's ownership class is NOT going to allow any significant mitigation of petroleum use. The problem is not use, the problem is extraction. If it comes out of the ground, it gets used, and mostly ends up in the atmosphere. The volume of extracted fossil fuels is carefully managed so that prices remain low enough to prevent green alternatives from winning in the market, and high eno…

I have wondered for some time if short term in-balance in fossil fuel supply capacity (oil tankers and pipelines) could help renewables along significantly. Let's say an environmental organization would buy 10 oil tankers and would interrupt the ability of fossil fuel producers to sell as much as they extract, wouldn't this increase fossil fuel prices temporarily and boost renewables and their technological trajectories? At some point renewables will be cheaper than developing new oil sources.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Im not dang but I would like to share a hypothesis why this maybe isn’t so terrible. The thing that always stood between the world and climate action was the fact that fossil fuels were the best energy source. Since a few years, the tables have turned and solar seems to be marching towards absolute dominance. So there isn’t much to do in terms of political climate action, since the incentives are now mostly economica…

> The thing that always stood between the world and climate action was the fact that fossil fuels were the best energy source. this has not been true since 1951

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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It's taboo to say this, but people worldwide have had far too many children, and I believe that overpopulation is the root of the sustainability crisis, including climate change and pollution. And that taboo is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology, people have a genetically driven tendency to criticize those who advocate having less children? So could there be an instinctual drive behind it? https://www.flashpa…

> And that taboo is probably rooted in evolutionary psychology

No. It's because it inevitably puts you in the position of deciding who gets to have children while the rest are denied such privileges for the good of the species.

In other words, eugenics.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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> Weird. I used to worry about climate change and now I don’t. That's funny! I was going to start my post with the exact same sentence! But for a totally different reason: I'm now convinced that there is no stopping the massive destruction of the natural environemnt. A much MUCH bigger problem than that of the climate alone. I'm not a "doomer", I'm a "realist". It's clear at this point that the world's ownership clas…

I agree with this sentiment. Theres no stopping it now, its just going to have to run its course and we'll see if theres much of a world worth living in at the end. I do laugh at billionaire bunkers tho, like how long are they going to survive when money means nothing and the plebs that are still alive are outside blocking the exits and airways with dirt and rocks. edit: its funny to see the only people making sense…

Fatalism isn't helping it. There are things which can be done and which are being done.

Do your part of avoiding disaster.

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