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Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#61

Watched the movie Michael Clayton this morning which seems to be basically about Monsanto and Roundup. I know about the cases and it's always distressing to me because my dad was a farmer who grew round up ready canola and I grew up drinking water from a well on this farm. My dad is cancer free ATM, but it is unsettling to think about.

If your dad drinks alcohol every now and then you probably don't need to worry too much about roundup, alcohol is a much stronger carcinogen and there is not even a debate about it like for glyphosate.

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#62

I have a sciences degree, and I'm not a complete weenie about some of the downright amazing things we have accomplished, but some time ago it occurred to me -- and I haven't really been able to rid myself of it -- that we have replaced some previously "mechanical" processes with chemicals, which we then haven't developed a good set of strictures around developing. Pull a weed? No, spray a crop. We could polish a thin…

The “small targeted blasts” thing exists.

https://youtu.be/XH-EFtTa6IU?feature=shared

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#63

This is so ridiculous, the science points to the fact that the claim that it causes cancer is not true... I really don't like the american justice system. We literally live next to coal plants that put chemicals in the air 24/7 that are certainly certainly causing cancer for people later... You can find studies showing certain meats are correlated with cancer, can we sue the grocery stores?

As im my comment above, alcohol is the big one to compare to. There are statistics like "alcohol consumption accounts for approximately 6% of all cancers diagnosed in the US" [1], and absolutely no serious scientist or doctor doubts that it's a strong carcinogen. I really wonder why the lawyers that orchestrated the roudup cases never go after the breweries etc. I guess because most people like alcohol and ignore the health effects, there's just no chance to win a jury trial? And that's with alcohol's addiction and host of other health problems, too. Or is there some law that does not allow companies for causing health damage due to alcohol?

[1] https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/diet-physical-...

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#65
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already know for a fact that the pharmaceutical companies have teams to manipulate social media through bot accounts. I don’t know why Beyer/Monsanto would be any different.

How do we know this?

Receipts, mostly.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#66
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given infinite money, is it possible to build a robot /today/ that can do all the things you list, in a reliable manner, capable of scaling up to industrial farm levels?

Yes, it is: https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/farming-robot-...

That doesn't solve rust or potato beetles or hundreds of other pest or fungal infestations.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#67

I have a sciences degree, and I'm not a complete weenie about some of the downright amazing things we have accomplished, but some time ago it occurred to me -- and I haven't really been able to rid myself of it -- that we have replaced some previously "mechanical" processes with chemicals, which we then haven't developed a good set of strictures around developing. Pull a weed? No, spray a crop. We could polish a thin…

There's a detail that is often missed in discussions about the use of roundup: it is not only used to kill weeds.

Roundup is also used right before harvesting as a 'drying agent' to control when the crop ripens. See, wheat is a pesky, messy living plant and it can grow and ripen at different rates even in a single field. This is an issue because if you harvest before it's ripe and dry it can rot and mold due to too much moisture. Another issue is the weather: if the wheat is supposed to ripen in 6 days but the weatherman says there'll be two weeks of rain starting in 3 days it may rot in the field before you ever had a chance to harvest.

The solution? Right before you're ready to harvest douse the grown wheat in roundup (yes wheat is resistant, just use way more roundup, it'll be fine). A few days later the whole field is nice and evenly dried out and ready to harvest. If the weather is a problem just douse it early, the yield will be a bit lower but at least the whole crop won't be lost. Two birds, one stone.

Oh and pay no mind to the elephant in the room that spraying lethal (to wheat) dose of herbicide on the kernels days before harvesting seems like a very different risk profile compared to killing weeds months before harvesting when the wheat is barely germinated. Rest assured, Monsanto's scientists have tested the flour and found that this dosing schedule makes way more money, er, I mean the amount of roundup that makes it's way into your food is way below the safe threshold.

Also I don't get the focus on cancer. There are other ailments that seem much more plausible, say, a long term low dose of a plethora of -icides wiping out your gut bacteria causing metabolic dysfunction and obesity. There has been a rise in obesity ever since this harvesting technology was introduced, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#68

Watched the movie Michael Clayton this morning which seems to be basically about Monsanto and Roundup. I know about the cases and it's always distressing to me because my dad was a farmer who grew round up ready canola and I grew up drinking water from a well on this farm. My dad is cancer free ATM, but it is unsettling to think about.

If your dad drinks alcohol every now and then you probably don't need to worry too much about roundup, alcohol is a much stronger carcinogen and there is not even a debate about it like for glyphosate.

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Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#69

Watched the movie Michael Clayton this morning which seems to be basically about Monsanto and Roundup. I know about the cases and it's always distressing to me because my dad was a farmer who grew round up ready canola and I grew up drinking water from a well on this farm. My dad is cancer free ATM, but it is unsettling to think about.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The global and national cancer trends don't track Roundup entering the food system or the agricultural sector. To the extent it might be a carcinogen, it's not a dominant environmental carcinogen relative to other forces.

Well, most people globally aren't drinking from a well near a farm that uses Roundup. So that isn't really relevant for this person.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#70
Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Agent Orange, 2,3,7,8-TCDD, aspartame, patented GM crops and now glyphosate the list goes on. Monsanto (now Bayer) is really living up to the name of "evil corporation".

https://dioxindorms.com/content/chronology.html

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-018-0146-8

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/24/monsanto...

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