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Re: Google's Bard shows big leap on LLM performance leaderboard

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this leaderboard seems easily cheated/gamed. once enough eyes are on it it will be worthless

How would you game it? I think it is clearly the least gameable leaderboard we have. A more valid criticism might be that you don't like the metric it's measuring, but I think it is a useful metric, though certainly not the only useful metric.

I could tell from the second interaction which was Bard Pro because it uses a specific formatting with 2 levels of indentation I never saw in other models.

Re: Google's Bard shows big leap on LLM performance leaderboard

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Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Also what a wild comparison, because afaik chat gpt can’t make charts either.

> Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Wait so if Google suddenly started charging for Bard, it would be instantly better?

They would not charge for Bard, we are providing free training data and free test hours for them.

Re: Google's Bard shows big leap on LLM performance leaderboard

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Bard is far less moderated than GPT-4 eg far fewer requests feel restricted. That alone makes it far better than GPT-4.

By moderation you mean safety filters?

Yes.

Moderation means no sex, hate, illegal things and religion. I tried to talk about Allah being merciful and got my ass moderated away. I am Buddhist and when I talked about reincarnation being misunderstood that was fine. So the limits are not clear.

Re: Google's Bard shows big leap on LLM performance leaderboard

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Wow. I've suspected for a while that Bard's performance has been limited mostly by cost. Google isn't charging for Bard and they didn't want to run a gigantic model for everyone for free forever. Maybe they made a breakthrough in inference cost for their better models? Or maybe they got tired of everyone clowning on them for being behind and decided to eat the cost for a while. I still think they ought to launch a su…

The trick is to access the "bard-jan-24-gemini-pro" model, available in direct chat mode here: https://chat.lmsys.org/ . Significantly better than the prior model.

Thanks for sharing. Is this a free way to access GPT4-turbo then or are there some limitations?

Re: Google's Bard shows big leap on LLM performance leaderboard

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Q: Please write me a function that makes a couple of text edits and a button. A: Certainly! Here is a function that makes a couple of text edits and a button. function renderForm() { var edit = document.createElement('input'); // The rest of the code is similar. }

I don't get what's lazy about this. Is it because it's not appending the elements?

The code snippet is literal - the model will actually write out a comment with something like "// TODO: Implement the rest" instead of actually doing it.

I had a colleague complain to me the other day that he'd asked GPT to help him with a trivial reformatting task and it had said something like "I can't do that but I can guide you on how to do it".

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I don't get what's lazy about this. Is it because it's not appending the elements?

The code snippet is literal - the model will actually write out a comment with something like "// TODO: Implement the rest" instead of actually doing it. I had a colleague complain to me the other day that he'd asked GPT to help him with a trivial reformatting task and it had said something like "I can't do that but I can guide you on how to do it".

oh, haha - I thought that was your abbreviation

agreed. that's pretty "lazy"

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