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Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

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Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

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I see the same in the consulting space - people who've barely ever talked to a prospect let alone had an actual customer (I happen to know from talking to folks like that) have a shiny website with pricing packages talking about "their team" and what not. Feels like pure hustle culture. I started my business a year ago, and there is no "we". There's me and (at this point) enough clients for comfortable living. I went…

Very cool!

I thought the same thing when I started my consulting company 10 years ago. It'd called Nerdian Inc (My name is Ian). My website and brand name is simply my name: www.iancollmceachern.com

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#102
> “Wind back the block to Microsoft and Apple, and those guys were super scrappy, not an ounce of polish at the outset…”

Well, the Personal PC did invent desktop publishing. Before that print brochures, what I guess you would take for polish, were expensive to produce and manufacture.

And the WWW largely replaced the desktop publishing world. Why print something you can’t change?

And today commerce on websites has clear solutions you can spin-up in turnkey fashion or DIY with Web frameworks.

You can call it polish, but I call it evolution. With all of these capabilities, why wouldn’t you do all of these things?

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

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Because that visual is easy nowadays. Just take something ready made, slap logo, stock photos. Search replace company name and done.

I agree. Also bothers me that everything looks the same. People are afraid to try something new or go with their own style.

You’re both right. You can have a pixel-perfect web site with Tailwind in a few minutes.

And that’s why OP sees everything as polished. The backend and features are another story…

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#104
post #14

I see the same in the consulting space - people who've barely ever talked to a prospect let alone had an actual customer (I happen to know from talking to folks like that) have a shiny website with pricing packages talking about "their team" and what not. Feels like pure hustle culture. I started my business a year ago, and there is no "we". There's me and (at this point) enough clients for comfortable living. I went…

I'm curious: how come there are no German version of the website? Are most of your (desired) clients not German? Or is it that practically everyone speaks English in Germany so it doesn't matter?

Almost all of them are German in fact - since I find them through my network primarily. I guess the answer to your question is because I'm too lazy :) Plus I primarily work with startups, they tend to be pretty international here.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#105
If it makes you feel better, I’m at a start up right now and we definitely are not polished yet!

But as a point of reference to maybe give insight to your question, the last time I joined a start up was 21 years ago. Here are some differences I have noted:

- Stunningly vast array of high quality, open source tools, platforms, and frameworks. Some of this stuff we had to pay for. A lot of it wasn’t very good or limited. Even more of it we had to invent ourselves.

- Cloud services. I, all by myself, can write some YAML and have an industry-standard, production-ready stack published to the Internet and ready for traffic in a couple of hours. Of course, I’ll pay out the nose if it hits big, but compare this to the extremely high barrier to entry when I spent weeks or months planning out infrastructure, procuring and deploying hardware, configuring endless firmware/software, tuning, testing, building out failover, backup strategies, and a billion other things, not to mention the actual software I want to deliver.

- Available talent. Extraordinary engineers and developers have always been hard to find, but good enough ones are fairly plentiful, especially now that you’re no longer limited to hiring or moving people local.

- Freely available knowledge. You younger folks shit constantly on Stack Overflow and the likes, but y’all don’t know how good you have it now. Blogs, vlogs, online and often open courses, SO/reddit, ChatGPT, etc. enable you to go from zero to hero in minutes, where I often had to spend days or weeks to figure something out for myself or to find some wizard in a dark cave to share their arcane knowledge.

- Established patterns. People have written voluminous books and blogs about precisely how to build large scale and high quality applications and systems, and as we discussed, a lot of the tools are readily available to you with little or no money involved.

It’s called commoditization. As for appearing to already have customers ready to go: I think the low barrier to entry allows people to more freely experiment with ideas closer to a potential customer, get it in front of them, and further build out from there fairly quickly and organically. That, however, is no guarantee it will be a sustainable business.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#107
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a past role, one of the things done was to create an IVR system that had all manner of different menus for sales, support, or technical questions and they were split by whether you were a casual or enterprise user. There was just one person answering, no matter what you selected. The goal was to seem sophisticated and thus more reliable and trustworthy.

Did it at least ring through to that person differently depending on menu selection or did they want to seem properly enterprisey by immediately asking all those questions again?

Properly enterprisey. They didn't record the pathways or announce them. It was just all there to make it seem sophisticated rather than a guy on a cell phone.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#108
post #66

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thanks. do you understand what inlang is by looking at the site?

No Mainly because: > The globalization ecosystem for software companies. Plug inlang's products together for market expansion and a broader customer reach. I have no idea what that means and who it’s for. I don’t know if this is exactly what your product does but maybe a heading like: “The developer platform that makes data integrations easy” That at least tells me who is the buyer and what benefit I will get

> That at least tells me who is the buyer and what benefit I will get

That is our problem. Taking a software product global (i18n/localiation/marketing) targets multiple personas and buyers (managers, developers, translators, designers, etc). We started with a dev-focused line but that didn't work for everyone else.

Are product pages clear(er)?

- https://inlang.com/m/gerre34r/library-inlang-paraglideJs - https://inlang.com/m/tdozzpar/app-inlang-finkLocalizationEdi...

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#109
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What is unclear? we know that we haven't nailed communication yet. one team member is working full time on communication/the website

I have no idea what “globalization ecosystem” is supposed to mean. There is a list of software components (“products”) I’m probably supposed to see a use for, but why would I go to that website to browse them? There is mention of “inlang projects”, but what is “inlang” and why would I have such a project? There is mention of “plugins for inlang”, but again, what is inlang and why does it need plugins?

Great feedback. I'll forward it to Nils, who is responsible for communication. Reply from him should follow on Monday
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