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Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

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Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#81
Why has the baseline for technology companies improved?

Because the cost and complexity of implementing technology has improved orders of magnitude.

Also, people starting startups are flush with cash from the longest bill run in modern history, so tend to spend.

Why do people feel the need to launch with a big “feel” when their companies are still small?

Market incentives and startup advice all explains this phenomenon. Look big, be big. Look small, stay small.

Why do they all look the same?

I’ll take a #3 with fries and a milkshake. Can I get extra salt on the fries?

Truth is, the technology industry has spend the last 10-15 years optimizing the heck out of its technology platforms for delivering small innovations, and not whole new product categories.

There was a time where every site had to be hand coded and custome built, but now companies are really focused on just the small part of the tech that’s different, which is often a small component of the overall infrastructure.

The lower value stuff ends up just being more and more off the shelf and less custom, and therefore less custom looking.

The rise of SaaS in particular really incentivized everything looking the same, because the “same” was the way to get people started with the least amount of ramping.

The whole “show instant value” means “use familiar interfaces” et al.

My 2c.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#83
I'm just now finishing our first marketing site after having like a crappy landing page for the last year.

In part it's users having higher expectations.

But in part it's also that no one takes you seriously unless you have a proper marketing website. And I don't mean customers but even providers or other companies for stuff like integrations. Everyone just ignores you.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#85
post #30

All the low-hanging fruit has been picked. You can't start with just a crappy app that solves a problem, you have to get all the packaging around it right too.

I'm not a businessman, but I don't think so. Case in point: Beeminder. Their web app has a bit of an "unfinished" feel to it – definitely not a "modern SPA", rather a traditional Rails web app (not that it's something bad, quite the opposite!), but it solves a real problem and has stayed afloat for over 10 years now.

I absolutely love Beeminder - I use it daily - but they’re not a good example of what an average startup is going for. They have a small but dedicated group of users, not a massive user base that they can later monetize. That makes enough revenue to pay for their employees and for the founders to take a salary, but they’re never going to go big and have an exit. That’s fine (a good thing, in my opinion), but it’s the opposite of what most startup founders want.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#86
Not just websites, entire "Businesses" have replaced Marketing/Sales with Bullshit/Hustle and nothing is believable anymore.

The biggest problem i see is that the presentations are so vague/over-the-top/buzzword-heavy/Outlandish-claims/throwing-in-everything-and-the-kitchen-sink that i don't even understand what the product/company is supposed to do for me (as a prospective client). If you can't explain what exactly you do in specific terms, you are doomed to failure.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#87
post #70
post #30

All the low-hanging fruit has been picked. You can't start with just a crappy app that solves a problem, you have to get all the packaging around it right too.

A crappy app that solves a problem would be an upgrade in a lot of cases, rather than a company engineering a problem to justify an app that’s been created.

It's more likely that a company started off with a solution for a problem, then got told by investors that it wasn't a big enough problem, and so they had to "pivot" into a more crowded space, without really adding much value.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#88
post #52

Yes, it all looks very hollow, more marketing front than anything of substance, the marketing copy often bordering on cringe (“beautiful”, “awesome”).

Don't forget the Pricing page that asks you to schedule a call with their sales team to get pricing for more than 1 seat.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#89

Next time you read the testimonial section, copy paste the author's name into Google. You'll find that they're made up. They also share the same stock photo of the smiling woman in red. It's borderline fraud.

I always check if the testimonial tweets are clickable.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to startups, why is everything so polished?

#90
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You're surely joking. It's gone the other way. Maybe your memory is better than mine. All the apps today look all the same, made on electron, single page landing page, same live chat/support, same style of charging, same flat design, same email campaign styles. Everything is set up from a SaaS or tool to help deploy it so rapidly the polish and self character is almost non existent. Everything is rushed to the point…

Website using webflow, etc. Reality is that even customers are moving on that direction. If you don't look like you're a serious company, they won't look at you.
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