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Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Post by echelon »

wilg wrote: post #21

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Monopolies are lazy. They grow fat on free cash flow they don't have to earn anymore.

Apple needs razor-sharp competition. That won't happen without regulation.

Remember when it took Google buying the Motorola patents in a MAD scenario to keep Apple from nuking even Android itself? They almost owned 100% of mobile computing forever.

Now both companies are content with policing what gets put on mobile and taxing it when it tries to process dollars. And now mobile is the most used form of internet.

There is zero chance of competing with this.

Apple and Google tax the internet.

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Post by ivanmontillam »

mrtksn wrote: post #20

For anyone interested, EU has started an investigation on iPadOS despite not meeting the threshold: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_... The investigation should be completed within 12 months.

The funny thing is that Europeans will eventually have a better experience with Apple than U.S. residents.

It's not my intention to poison the well, but Apple feels like treating its customers like cattle.

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Post by goosedragons »

lapcat wrote: post #14
dmart wrote: post #3

Suddenly it makes a lot more sense why Apple made a big deal about iPadOS being its own separate OS, even though the differences are so minimal.

I'm as cynical as anyone, but iPadOS was introduced at WWDC 2019 and thus was in the works for some time before then. This conspiracy theory doesn't stand up to the historical timeline. The more plausible and less conspiratorial theory is that iPadOS was made separate to help market more expensive iPad Pro devices.

And March of 2019 Spotify filed a complaint with the European Commission over Apple's practices.

https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-03-13/consumers-and-innova...

And "iPadOS" was and still is basically just a name change. Even from day 1 iPads had a different set of features.

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Post by lapcat »

goosedragons wrote: post #33
lapcat wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm as cynical as anyone, but iPadOS was introduced at WWDC 2019 and thus was in the works for some time before then. This conspiracy theory doesn't stand up to the historical timeline. The more plausible and less conspiratorial theory is that iPadOS was made separate to help market more expensive iPad Pro devices.

And March of 2019 Spotify filed a complaint with the European Commission over Apple's practices. https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-03-13/consumers-and-innova... And "iPadOS" was and still is basically just a name change. Even from day 1 iPads had a different set of features.

That was March 13. WWDC 2019 was June 3. Do you seriously think that Apple magically switched everything to iPadOS in 2 months? And why? How exactly did iPadOS even help with the Spotify complaint?

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Post by kmeisthax »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #30
sharkjacobs wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is what correct? Is iPadOS a different platform than iOS? That's not an easy question to answer. It's a different OS, it has a different name, it runs on different devices, it has different features, it runs different apps. But iPads ran "iOS" for many years, and iPadOS was clearly just a rebranding of the iOS that ran on iPads. On the other hand, iOS (then iPhoneOS) was announced as a "compressed and streamlined" ve…

now that iPadOS has features that frequently trail a year behind iOS — lock screen widgets, off the top of my head — as well as features like Stage Manager and whatever it is I'm using right now to make my iPad an external Mac display, I think it's safe to say we're at least four years into a now non-trivial hard fork.

Stage Manager works on jailbroken iPhones. There is no fork.

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Post by kmeisthax »

lapcat wrote: post #14
dmart wrote: post #3

Suddenly it makes a lot more sense why Apple made a big deal about iPadOS being its own separate OS, even though the differences are so minimal.

I'm as cynical as anyone, but iPadOS was introduced at WWDC 2019 and thus was in the works for some time before then. This conspiracy theory doesn't stand up to the historical timeline. The more plausible and less conspiratorial theory is that iPadOS was made separate to help market more expensive iPad Pro devices.

iPadOS does not exist outside of branding. Apple never actually forked the OS - there's jailbreak tweaks that will enable Stage Manager on iPhones, for example. iOS and iPadOS also share the same SDK - which incidentally, is still called iPhoneOS.sdk, not even iOS.sdk. iOS has always had the ability to gate features behind iPads vs. iPhones ever since the iPad first launched.

That being said, I still don't think Apple rebranded iOS for iPads to evade an EU regulation. The EU wasn't even aware of Apple's monopoly until the Epic lawsuit a year and change later.

Re: iPad users will miss out on third-party app stores, browser engines, and more

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Post by kmeisthax »

Note that if you opt for the EU compliant new business terms for iPhone, you will still be obligated to pay Core Technology Fees on all Apple platforms, even if those platforms do not allow sideloading. So your iPad apps now have install fees and you still have to pass app review.
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