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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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> Chinese warships will never be allowed anywhere near the Mediterranean in the first place There have been Chinese navy visits to the Mediterranean. You can sail in on international water. (Edit: Nope, it's to narrow) "Chinese naval ships visit Morocco" http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/CHINA_209163/Exchanges/News_20918...

Please make your substantive points without snark or swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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All wars end when one side gives up. Attacks and land theft on West Bank Palestinians are at a record high too. This will only end with the creation of a viable Palestinian state. "This is war, there will be loss of life" is such a callous way to dismiss the disproportionality of this conflict.

> when one side gives up. > disproportionality of this conflict

Why is disproportionality meaningful at all? Clearly Israel is under attack. They have full right to subdue those attacks through all means necessary. I would hope every government provides the same for their people (and it is so easy to criticize Israel with all of us coming from countries that do protect our safety). Unfortunately Hamas has no regard for Palestinian lives, the best possible outcome for the Palestinians is Hamas giving up.

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> All of this would end in an instant if Hamas would give up hostages and surrender.

No, it would not. There would still be 400,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Palestinians in the West Bank would still live under occupation. Do you think that situation will not also reach a boiling point and end in ethnic cleansing as fascist rhetoric in Israel increases?

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Well thank god you'll be spared having colleagues from Gaza since Israel usually cuts off the internet there, because otherwise you'd have seen much worse than someone yelling rockets lol. Also, I'm sure the Ukraine war would've ended if Ukraine would've just surrendered, what's your point? You realize that you could say that for basically every war ever, and that the enemy not surrendering doesn't allow you to commi…

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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What you are suggesting is happening, the collective punishment of a nation for terrorist acts, is a war crime: https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/collect...

Hamas is the ruling party/government of Gaza.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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A great article from an international law prof explaining the finding can be found here: https://www.ejiltalk.org/icj-indicates-provisional-measures-... The blog has articles on the topic from both sides from numerous lawyers

Finally, this is the first article I've seen that really explains the ruling.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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They might look like "the good guys" by doing that, but they'd also be dragging themselves into an open war Israel (and its allies). I'm not sure that would be a smart move. I'm also unsure if this move would be seen well domestically. They have enough problems right now, and focusing resources on this doesn't sound like it would be met with high praise.

I think the idea is that they'd genuinely be providing humanitarian aid, with military presence genuinely being there for self-defense. They would simply be stepping into the role on the world stage the US and other Western countries have fulfilled for the last few decades. Israel probably wouldn't be foolish enough to attack them, and their allies definitely wouldn't aid them. And in the unlikely event Israel does a…

China may not even provide a military presence. First, because providing military presence could invite conflict since Israel would have the ability to claim the Chinese fired first, even if untrue. Second, because Chinese leadership is absolutely willing to treat the people as sacrificial pawns for a geopolitical goal. Trading the lives of couple hundred people on aid ships would be worthwhile in their eyes for an outcome that benefits China as a whole.

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What you are suggesting is happening, the collective punishment of a nation for terrorist acts, is a war crime: https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/collect...

Is it a terrorist act if it was performed by a democratically elected government?

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Hamas is a terrorist organization deeply embedded in a dense area of 2m people. They also don't seem to care much about their people or even their own lives. If they decide to never surrender, shall Israel burn Gaza to the ground? Are those 2m people just going to become "collateral damage"?
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