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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
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Historical comparisons aren't relevant when evaluating whether conduct today is acceptable, especially when we're talking about the deaths of innocents.
Every day is an opportunity to be better than our ancestors.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#33[flagged]
Historical comparisons aren't relevant when evaluating whether conduct today is acceptable, especially when we're talking about the deaths of innocents. Every day is an opportunity to be better than our ancestors.
Looks very relevant to compare. Or in more practical terms, it's worth comparing to something as a reference that's similar in complexity of urban warfare but was handled better.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#34The current title "ICJ genocide case: World court demands Israel limit deaths " isn't very accurate. I'd suggest reverting to the original "Top UN court orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza but stops short of ordering cease-fire"
It's the HTML doc title of the article, which is always an option for "original title" in the guidelines' sense of that term (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
What's inaccurate about it?
(Btw - thank you for posting the links in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39146163. We need those.)
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
It explicitly says they must stop killing Palestinians. None of their current military tactics satisfy this demand.
This goes beyond military tactics: > Leading propaganda machine and former Member of Knesset Einat Wilf suggests that the Israeli government should allow aid into Gaza officially, but unofficially let "protesters" to block all aid from entering the Strip. I think that's actually kinda what happened today. -- https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/175021647115263591... > The Gaon Rabbi Dov Lior Shalita in a halachi…
"brainwashing" is a term that's going to unavoidably turn this conversation in a bad direction, it might be best not to use it here. There are less inflammatory ways to describe what's happening in that tweet.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#36The actual rulings can be found at https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...
and a summary is: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...
Dissents etc can be found in the case page: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192 - in particular the opinion of Judge Aharon Barak, the Israeli ad-hoc Judge (a peculiarity of the ICJ is that each side gets to add a judge, but it doesn't have much effect since there are 17 other judges). But interestingly Judge Barak ruled against Israel in the case of two measures, enforcement against Incitement and ensuring humanitarian aid.
I believe it's also available in French, for those more familiar with that language.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#37How is this hackernews?
HN's approach to stories with political overlap has been stable for many years*. I've written about it many times: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....
If you read some of those past explanations and still have a question about our general approach, let me know what it is. As for this particular story, I turned off the flags on it because it clearly counts as SNI (significant new information - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...).
* as has the question "how is this hackernews", of course: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#38How is this hackernews?
Like everything else on this site, you are welcome to ignore it if the topic does not interest you.
Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
EDIT: The title has been changed since and the discussion has been unflagged The problem is that this is such a partisan issue than partisanship can be perceived in the smallest of details. As someone who was staunchly pro-palestinian but as of recently came to have a more informed and I hope a more nuanced view of the whole situation, I can't help to see the title as potentially misleading : Is the ICJ saying to pre…
Isn't this the kind of discussion we should be having though? Why flag it?
This is Hacker News. Technology, science, business, not politics and certainly not geopolitics.
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