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Re: What time is it?

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I will never understand how people that don't understand something don't understand how other people have the capacity to understand things not understood by them!

That's not it. They are basically saying "the Emperor has no clothes". i.e. that people pretend to get it, but really, there's nothing there. And what they don't understand is why pretend?

I've had someone say this about all of poetry. All of it...

It takes some breathtaking arrogance to think that a good chunk of educated and intelligent people are indulging in pretending to 'get something'.

Re: What time is it?

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I will never understand how people that don't understand something don't understand how other people have the capacity to understand things not understood by them!

Its not so much that I don't understand how you have have the capacity to understand these things but rather what do you actually understand?

Think of some art you really like, then find someone who doesn't feel anything from it. Now try explaining why you like it to them. That's what you're asking us to do.

Re: What time is it?

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>Formanek has since staged a few live re-enactments of this clock being built I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting. Someone at the Boston MFA made a 24 hr movie where they compile different bits of film that includes a clock into a real time clock (so if it was 10:23 it would show 10:23 in a bit of the clip). It was int…

I think I understand what Formanek was aiming for with this. Unlike pre-compiled footage that can just be made 24 hours long, this was done in real-time with the workers forced to match the demands of the clock without the opportunity to pause during their shifts. Because of its real-time nature when you view the video synced to your local time you can't help but become somewhat invested in the success of the workers…

Every saturday millions of people invest $100s each and colleges invest $100millions in finding out which team of people can carry a leather oval from one end of a field to another.

This is at least novel and at the end of it you have a clock.

Re: What time is it?

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This is an art project called 'Standard Time' by Mark Formanek. In late 2007 he filmed a team of 70 workers constructing this clock through 1611 iterations (every minute) for a 24-hour period in Berlin's Sculpture Park. So when originally filmed it was done in real-time. The flash video here is based on a screensaver that Formanek has made available which synchronises that video to your system clock, making it appear…

>Formanek has since staged a few live re-enactments of this clock being built I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting. Someone at the Boston MFA made a 24 hr movie where they compile different bits of film that includes a clock into a real time clock (so if it was 10:23 it would show 10:23 in a bit of the clip). It was int…

The world is made up of different people with different ideas and tastes. So why do you think your Twitter App is interesting? Why do you think the JavaScript thing you coded to enhance CSS3 is worth the long hours you invested in it? Someone, not in the IT industry, will certainly dismiss it as non-sense (not even interesting).

Re: What time is it?

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post #9

This is an art project called 'Standard Time' by Mark Formanek. In late 2007 he filmed a team of 70 workers constructing this clock through 1611 iterations (every minute) for a 24-hour period in Berlin's Sculpture Park. So when originally filmed it was done in real-time. The flash video here is based on a screensaver that Formanek has made available which synchronises that video to your system clock, making it appear…

>Formanek has since staged a few live re-enactments of this clock being built I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting. Someone at the Boston MFA made a 24 hr movie where they compile different bits of film that includes a clock into a real time clock (so if it was 10:23 it would show 10:23 in a bit of the clip). It was int…

Is being an interesting, neat art project not enough? Not everything has to be making some grand statement about the meaning of life.

Re: What time is it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Formanek has since staged a few live re-enactments of this clock being built I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting. Someone at the Boston MFA made a 24 hr movie where they compile different bits of film that includes a clock into a real time clock (so if it was 10:23 it would show 10:23 in a bit of the clip). It was int…

I will never understand how people that don't understand something don't understand how other people have the capacity to understand things not understood by them!

You can by definition not understand why they don't understand. If you understood why they don't understand then you'd likely not understand yourself. Likewise, if they understood why they don't understand then they'd probably have understood in first place.

Re: What time is it?

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post #9

This is an art project called 'Standard Time' by Mark Formanek. In late 2007 he filmed a team of 70 workers constructing this clock through 1611 iterations (every minute) for a 24-hour period in Berlin's Sculpture Park. So when originally filmed it was done in real-time. The flash video here is based on a screensaver that Formanek has made available which synchronises that video to your system clock, making it appear…

>Formanek has since staged a few live re-enactments of this clock being built I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting. Someone at the Boston MFA made a 24 hr movie where they compile different bits of film that includes a clock into a real time clock (so if it was 10:23 it would show 10:23 in a bit of the clip). It was int…

It's really choppy on my computer, but I'm definitely finding it interesting on a few levels. In case you actually want to understand people that appreciate this kind of art, here's my take:

The basic level for me is that watching them run around is kinda compelling. I once worked out of a high office building across the street from a building being disassembled and then replaced, and I lost hours watching the people at work.

There's also a series of deadlines; watching them speed up and slow down is neat. Very human. Will they make it? How about next minute? A friend who's an improv performer (and Google engineer) sometimes does this thing at his shows called "the oxygen game". Three people improvise a scene, but only two are interacting at once. The third one has their head in a bucket of water until the other two find a narrative reason to bring them back in, at which point somebody else's head goes under. The audience loves this human struggle against time.

There's also an element of expectations violated. Clocks are usually utterly boring, especially digital ones like he's aping. Which is why a lot of people create interesting clocks. E.g.: http://www.stuartsinger.com/ballclock.htm http://longnow.org/clock/

Then when watching it, it's really interesting to think about the labor. These are real people, in effect dancing for our pleasure. But they're not professional dancers. They're just construction workers, making another thing for somebody else. How do they feel about that? Do they feel the same way about a lot of the stuff they get hired to build? Are there other things that they build that are ultimately just as pointless, just as rooted in entertainment for the funder?

Then I wonder how far you could take this. What if I put up a webcam in Times Square and had a big mechanical clock where people had to supply the labor. Say by cranking a wheel once a minute. Would people participate? How would they feel? Would the clock ever miss a minute? Would it miss an hour or a day?

So for me, art like this combines an interesting idea with something that engages the senses (and sometimes the emotions) long enough for me to think about the idea and related themes. Nothing new, really: Cathedrals weren't just built to be pretty; they were there to get you think about the builder's god(s).

Re: What time is it?

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post #9

This is an art project called 'Standard Time' by Mark Formanek. In late 2007 he filmed a team of 70 workers constructing this clock through 1611 iterations (every minute) for a 24-hour period in Berlin's Sculpture Park. So when originally filmed it was done in real-time. The flash video here is based on a screensaver that Formanek has made available which synchronises that video to your system clock, making it appear…

>Formanek has since staged a few live re-enactments of this clock being built I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting. Someone at the Boston MFA made a 24 hr movie where they compile different bits of film that includes a clock into a real time clock (so if it was 10:23 it would show 10:23 in a bit of the clip). It was int…

> I will never understand people that appreciate this kind of art. Call me classical, but I really don't see watching a clock interesting.

Well, we have definitely gone beyond "classical" art for a LOOONG time now... the times when art was just "pretty" and "classical" is long gone - you find this "pretty" and aiming at the audience more in contemporary pop now, and the "artsy" artists do things like this clock and in my own understanding, an important factor definitely is experimenting and playing with our understanding of "what is art". Because when it comes down to it, there aren't THAT many borders or taboos to cross anymore nowadays so "what is art" is definitely an evergreen, if you will.

I am not saying you have to like it but maybe when seen from this angle, you can find it easier to appreciate the effort. Oh and by saying "I don't get it" or "I don't like it" or "this is crap" you have already contributed something - if you were to say "I don't like it and it is crap BECAUSE....." then you would have even contributed something of greater value. It's all (or rather it's a lot) about how it makes you feel and what you think and the ensuing discussion, really.

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