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Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by dedward »

baddox wrote: post #136
VikingCoder wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often fail at being polite to people online, and people like you are the reason. Trust me when I tell you this: Google will never steal money from your bank account, by using a password recovery link that you had emailed to your GMail account. Does that really need to be said? Do you really need CONVINCING of this?

You misunderstand. I am pointing out that if you are consciously giving Google potential access to your bank account, it's odd to be concerned about Google having other information that is far less sensitive. It's like worrying about your white carpet because the robber holding a gun to your head has muddy boots.

true, but by that logic, once we give them one thing, we should just openthem up to everything? no.

my bankaccounts are important, but they also come with fraudprotections.

the complete picture of my life, all data mined, possibly misinterpreted, and then availableto my enemies is farmore scary.

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by maratd »

teraflop wrote: post #132
abraham wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it will run on Chrome OS.

Nope, it runs fine on my Cr-48. In fact, as of Chrome OS 20, the native xterm seems to have been replaced with the version from this extension, running in its own tab.

Yup, if you read some of the dev notes, it was specifically designed for Chrome OS.

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by whatusername »

VikingCoder wrote: post #102
baddox wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your bank account recovery link gets emailed to your Gmail account, you have more to worry about if Google decides to abuse your information.

I often fail at being polite to people online, and people like you are the reason. Trust me when I tell you this: Google will never steal money from your bank account, by using a password recovery link that you had emailed to your GMail account. Does that really need to be said? Do you really need CONVINCING of this?

If your bank is emailing password recovery -- you need a new bank.

Gmail was not the OP's cause for concern.

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by blasdel »

rginda wrote: post #35
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #22

I thought NaCl couldn't open raw (tcp) sockets? I thought it was limited to WebSockets.

This app is part of a small whitelist of apps that can make this type of connection. It's a temporary solution though. The Chrome team is working on ways to make the functionality more widely available.

damn it was an inside job! :)

I'd been checking every few months for the last several years to see if sockets were available in NaCL, for this exact killer app (along with a vnc/rdesktop client)

Sad that it had to be done with an internal whitelist, but I'm mostly just happy that it exists for me to use even if I didn't get to write it!

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by Nitramp »

As someone who occasionally ends up on Windows having to do Terminal work, thank you. A proper terminal emulator on every platform (well, every platform I care about) is a huge win.

I might even move to this entirely if it adds support for key auth; having a consistent environment across all devices on which you work is a big win, even if the native terminal emulator might be integrated better with the OS.

On a related note, I used to cringe whenever I had to do anything on Windows; such a foreign environment. Nowadays so much has moved to the browser that I hardly notice, modulo some text editing shortcuts. The browser is really about to become the operating system.

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by joelhaasnoot »

no-espam wrote: post #43
eridius wrote: post #23

Can someone please explain to me why I would possibly want to run a terminal emulator inside of my web browser, instead of just using the terminal emulator app that my system ships with?

Windows! I spend most of my time coding in PuTTy + Vim when I'm on windows. In my limited testing this works as I expect with xterm-256, tmux, and Vim on my Ubuntu 12.04 Server without having to configure anything. PuTTy is a pain to configure on a new box.

In addition to Putty being far from native...

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by fromhet »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #79
notatoad wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the complete list of software i use day-to-day consists of a web browser and a terminal emulator. if i switched over to this, that list goes down to just a browser. maybe some people don't care, but i think it's pretty cool.

I don't like the idea of using a single app for everything. I have tons and tons of (personal) reasons, but the most obvious and un-solvable reason is: I can switch between terminal emulator and web browser with Command+Tab. If they were both the same thing, I couldn't do it and I would be very disturbed and confused. The same reason I don't use GMail web app and use Mail.app instead, or Reeder.app or iCal.app or iTu…

Well if the world turns out to become as Google fantasizes and all applications will be ran in browsers, you can switch between apps with ctrl+tab.

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by pbiggar »

eridius wrote: post #23

Can someone please explain to me why I would possibly want to run a terminal emulator inside of my web browser, instead of just using the terminal emulator app that my system ships with?

So I used to think the same thing, and then I saw something funny: it was a spinning 3D cube with a scrolling document on all 6 faces. It was made with pdf.js and WebGL.

Now this isn't the same because it's NaCl and therefore not pure-web, but a pure-web terminal emulator would be awesome! It would mean you could embed it within normal web content and mash it up with other stuff. Want to edit your dropbox contents/Gmail in Vim? Maybe pipe the contents of a file into a text box? Maybe just live refresh the output of your web site when you save?

Actually, I'm running out of cool things you could do. Nobody needs a spinning 3D cube with a PDF on it, but the fact that you CAN do it means that people will invent something useful for it, and I have no doubt they would invent something awesome with an in-browser terminal emulator.

Unfortunately, this being NaCl, it may not be it. Shame.

Re: Secure Shell chrome (killer) app

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Post by jrabone »

ajross wrote: post #84
rsl7 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we happy? We are not. Terminal emulation needs to die, but as you point out, there is no reasonable substitute yet. I have enjoyed toying with interesting experiments like the MPW shell, and I support every attempt to replace or kill the ridiculous anachronism that is termcap. It's like we're the SCA and unix is our ren fest.

I'm not sure that I disagree: the terminal implementation in modern unix is a terrible mess. But the terminal metaphor (a command line being fed by a keyboard and displaying to a scrolling window of text) is nearly perfect, and won't by dying any time soon. And ssh is fundamentally just a data pipe for that metaphor anyway.

The terminal metaphor isn't so great either; in fact I think it's miserable, compared to the workbook-type approach provided by something like Mathematica from 15 years ago (last time I worked somewhere that could afford it) I find it depressing that all command line interfaces aren't like that.

Also, in-band signalling, escape characters, magic select() timing loops to distinguish from "real" input, hackarounds for the fact that the original terminal was a separate computer and had local and remote modes and some keys never sent anything... is that metaphor REALLY still relevant?

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