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High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Does any body really still use TPB as a first stop site? It is usually my site of last resort. To me this is a bit like some weirdo government still freaking out about Rock 'n Roll and Punk Rockers.

TPB is my first stop. I've always used private music trackers, but never found much need for it with video (quality is less important and I don't want to deal with seed requirements).

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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post #182

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Paste that link into your favourite (up to date) torrent client.

Yes, and then you get a database in a simple no quotes | separated file. Someone presumably got this from piratebay servers. What I'm asking is who and how. EDIT: though I'm realizing now, that "actual" in English might mean something else than I wanted to say. What I meant (and in my language sounds very much like actual) is probably better described as "current".

Here is the perl code that was used to scrape that data:

http://pastebin.com/8RXXthXB

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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post #80

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The same can be said for any merchant: selling the work of others without creating anything yourself. If this makes you scream, you should be very angry at supermarkets.

Expanding on that idea, our entire economy is based off of people profiting from the works of others. Sales places like Wal-Mart profit off of the products produced by factories (assume for a moment that Wal-Mart doesn't own these factories). These factories profit by producing things invented by people who most likely don't take any part in the ownership of the factory. The difference between these types of people (…

Yeah, but at the same time, there is an added value provided by the TPB: it indirectly promotes creators through their distribution channel, thus raising their awareness and popularity, just like Radio. It's not a zero sum game. That's why there are also a number of artists in favor of P2P networks, because they clearly see a way to increase their exposure and therefore grow their audience.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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That's a bit like saying your historical pirate ship (the kind with sails, cannons and so on) has a cook on board to feed the crew, so it should really be considered as a floating restaurant and the plundering and sinking of other vessels is incidental to that.

I love that analogy and want to vote you up... but I don't agree with what you're saying XD

At the risk of being meta; I think you should vote up when someone contributes to a discussion in a meaningful way, regardless of server you agree or not.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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> is it ok then to create a CP linking website? // Strictly speaking I don't think it would be illegal as long as no content on the site itself contravened the law. If you can differentiate it from a search engine that gives the links in SERPs then I'd back it being made illegal though - if you can't then Google/Bing/etc. are illegal if you can make the SERPs return a link to illegal content. Indeed a link site would…

The Copyrights, Designs & Patents Act 198 has "fair dealing" clauses which specifically permits back ups (Section 50(A)) and time-shifting (Section 70). I'm not aware of any case law that limits these permissions; the Copyright & Related Rights Regulations of 2003 does forbid you from circumventing a technical protection measure, which is in opposition to CDPA.

UK fair dealing is much tighter than US fair use.

At the moment "format shifting" (but not time shifting) is still illegal, but no-one enforces it and it's going to be changed. (I haven't kept up; maybe it has already changed.)

As you say, being allowed to make backups is tricky if you're not allowed to circumvent technical protection measures.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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post #73

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Either it is or it isn't. If it is, a lot of search engines are in big trouble. Google links to almost every piece of illegal content on the web. You also have to think carefully about what a link is. Is a magnet link - essentially a hash of the content itself - a link? If so is posting the checksum of a piece of software copyright violation?

Unfortunately the law isn't so black and white, and depends a lot upon intent. Thinking about the technicalities isn't so important; what matters to the court is whether the individuals involved intended to commit a crime.

Upthread people are mentioning images of child sexual abuse.

It's important to mention that in the UK this is an absolute offence. If the image is in your possession then it doesn't matter how or why it's there - intent is irrelevant.

This is important for people responsible for various servers, for example.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#208

I can't stand it. How can the BBC claim to be impartially reporting copyright infringement when they call it "piracy"? It's illegal, it's often immoral, it's not shooting people and stealing their stuff though and sufficiently different, in a moral sense, to make such a claim preposterously immoral in itself.

'Piracy' is as valid a term as 'copyright infringement': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#.22Pirac...

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#209

I hate the whole ethical argument when it comes to copyright infringement. The fact is an unenforceable law is pointless and should not be law. I don't know what the solution is -- and I wish people would spend more time debating and talking about a workable solution rather than complaining, but blocking sites that link or illegally host copyrighted content will not solve a thing. Remember when illegal music download…

Do you remember when Napster came back as a legally-operating site, creating better competition in the music-download market and increasing the number of people who download music legally?

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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post #158

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Copyright is a government granted and government enforced monopoly. Its got little to do with capitalism.

Rubbish. When the successful capitalists lobby politicians and pay them off regularly, it's a closed loop between government and corporations. Us peons don't get a look in.

It is well known (but sadly still surprising for many) that capitalists are some of the biggest enemies of capitalism.

What you are describing is regulatory capture, and is caused by government power, if government didn't have so much power there wouldn't be such a great incentive to corrupt it.

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