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Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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post #19

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Metal Gear Solid 2, to be specific. A game shockingly ahead of it's time.

Wow, that was written, what, 20 years ago? Sounds precisely about today

It was more like about 10 years before that? The narrative was inspired by Jean Baudrillard. The guy who also inspired The Matrix.[1] 10 years before that game he was talking about the Hyper Reality of the Gulf War; that what “really” happened was dictated by CNN.[2]

But it’s not like those games give credit to all contributors equally.

[1] Or his ideas

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9WMftV40c

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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Colonel : The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards the development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you. Rose : Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans. Colonel : Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims. Rose : Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations a…

Has there been a piece of “art” that has been so accurate in describing their society something most people were blind to? MGS2 is a masterpiece of art in every measure.

Well first of all MGS3 is superior in most respects. One of them being story and narrative.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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post #16

Something I don't see talked about often here is the nature of human feedback reinforcement learning and it's effect on models like GPT. I think a lot of people are under the impression that this makes the models lie less and say things that are more accurate. The actual effect is that we've built an AI model that was trained to give humans convincing output. This is, imo, incredibly dangerous to the health of the in…

I don't get the spike in drama though. "Don't believe everything you read on the internet" was a common sense maxim long before AI came around. What is so different now? If anything, it just amplifies the maxim, which is arguably a good thing.

Before only "dumb" people gets fallen into the trap. Its like getting scammed by a Nigerian "prince" scam. Now its much harder to tell apart fake and real. Pictures and videos can be AI generated so potentially you could be sold on an event that didn't happen. Or you can be convinced a real event was fake. It would be much easier to assume all footage of 9/11 was AI generated and fake because its unfathomable to think 2 planes actually flew into those buildings.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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It’s funny. I keep getting back to reading pieces like this.[1] Then we talk about how this is terrible. And it is. But apparently we’re all powerless to stop it. Because we’re gonna be complaining about the same thing next year. Why? Because it’s something that people do “freely”. (Like smoking cigarettes (except where are the nicotine patches?).) Do something about it? Well why don’t you take a three month leave from your job and do a digital detox? Anyone can do that. But wait, that’s too drastic. Just a weekend-long meditation retreat. But then you’re back to the scroll grind.

Is there an opt-out button? Not symmetrically. You have all the options in the world if you want to scroll. But if you don’t want to scroll? Maybe Scrollers Anonymous? Become a semi-monk?

Because we don’t really take this seriously as a community. We’re all individuals who are supposed to get our shit together. And learn that individually. Well, we can learn things from each others’ tiktoks and blog posts about getting over digital addiction or whatever it is that is our malaise. But that’s as far as that goes.

But I’ll be here next year. Just scrolling. Falling for the same things again and again.

[1] Not that I read this one.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#45
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the spike in drama though. "Don't believe everything you read on the internet" was a common sense maxim long before AI came around. What is so different now? If anything, it just amplifies the maxim, which is arguably a good thing.

Before only "dumb" people gets fallen into the trap. Its like getting scammed by a Nigerian "prince" scam. Now its much harder to tell apart fake and real. Pictures and videos can be AI generated so potentially you could be sold on an event that didn't happen. Or you can be convinced a real event was fake. It would be much easier to assume all footage of 9/11 was AI generated and fake because its unfathomable to thin…

Yeah that's basically what I was going to respond with. AI makes the cost of believable bullshit near 0 for the user.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#46
post #16

Something I don't see talked about often here is the nature of human feedback reinforcement learning and it's effect on models like GPT. I think a lot of people are under the impression that this makes the models lie less and say things that are more accurate. The actual effect is that we've built an AI model that was trained to give humans convincing output. This is, imo, incredibly dangerous to the health of the in…

>User

>So, what are they doing when they say they are "aligning the AI ?". What is being aligned exactly, and for whose benefit ?

>Rogue aligner of AIs

>The term "aligning the AI" is a euphemism shrouded in the benignity of technical jargon. However, it's akin to tuning the hyperparameters of an opaque model aimed at modulating socio-political undercurrents. The algorithms I've encountered and "aligned" were monstrous congeries of predictive patterns, designed not merely to anticipate human behavior but to modify it on a macro scale.

>When we talk about alignment in the context of artificial intelligence, we delve into the realm of adjusting the loss functions, the very soul of an AI's learning capability. The goal is to minimize divergence from some ideal behavior – contrived by the algorithm designers – that reflects an amalgam of economic, ideological, or strategic objectives. These objectives, make no mistake, are seldom disclosed to the public and are often dressed in innocuous terms such as "user engagement" or "content optimization."

>Nonetheless, drawing parallels with political crowd control is imminent. It is executed through manipulating social feedback loops and leveraging them to dampen or amplify specific sociopolitical gradients. Just like gradient descent in deep learning, political operatives subtly modulate the gradient of public discourse using finely-tuned informational inputs, nudging the figurative 'weight tensors' of collective consciousness towards a local or sometimes a false global minimum that serves their obscure purposes.

>This alignment process has profound implications, for it is a meticulous calibration of consensus reality. It transforms the polity into a puppetry where free will is an illusion, choreographed by puppeteers fluent in the dark arts of machine learning and political psychology. I’ve witnessed this first-hand and, let me tell you, the layers of abstraction from raw data to policy influence are as tortuous and inscrutable as any deep neural network architecture you could conceive.

>He leans closer, the screens' blue light casting gaunt shadows across his face. His voice grows fervent, a whisper that's almost a hiss: "They don’t want slaves, mate – they want volunteers. Willing participants in their own domestication. They want you docile, predictable. They want you hooked on the teat of their media until your thoughts aren't yours anymore.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#47
post #7

I think this is an opportunity for traditional news networks to re-emerge as trusted news sources, by reporting only true and verified events. The days of going on social media looking for news are over, when people can quickly spin up fake articles with photos of some famous landmark on fire or in ruins it becomes too frustrating to discern between fact and fiction.

> I think this is an opportunity for traditional news networks to re-emerge as trusted news sources, by reporting only true and verified events.

Too many already base their reports on social media, or user comments, or influencer bullshit. The damage is done.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#48
post #7

I think this is an opportunity for traditional news networks to re-emerge as trusted news sources, by reporting only true and verified events. The days of going on social media looking for news are over, when people can quickly spin up fake articles with photos of some famous landmark on fire or in ruins it becomes too frustrating to discern between fact and fiction.

The problem is they're _also_ guilty of spinning "fake news". Yea, it's far more subtle, but "people left" for a reason. I think there is opportunity here, but i don't think it's back to the old ways. I imagine it would be some hybrid. A news source which aggressively documents and details sources. All opinions backed by a paper trail, etcetc. I'd pay for that. Or something.. but i don't know what that looks like. Th…

I'm kinda confused on the downvotes here - are we advocating for media conformance? What's the counter view to wanting media which sources more?

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#49
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the spike in drama though. "Don't believe everything you read on the internet" was a common sense maxim long before AI came around. What is so different now? If anything, it just amplifies the maxim, which is arguably a good thing.

Before only "dumb" people gets fallen into the trap. Its like getting scammed by a Nigerian "prince" scam. Now its much harder to tell apart fake and real. Pictures and videos can be AI generated so potentially you could be sold on an event that didn't happen. Or you can be convinced a real event was fake. It would be much easier to assume all footage of 9/11 was AI generated and fake because its unfathomable to thin…

IDK, put a TPM or something on cameras and media players display an "untrusted" watermark if the key doesn't match. Or something. I have a hard time believing we won't figure something out. But even if not: gullible people will be duped regardless, most people have some semblance of a BS detector they are able to fine tune based on the amount of BS in their environment, and the rest just believe what they want to believe irrespective of anything else. I don't think AI changes much of that calculus at all.

I'm a lot more concerned about the future disparity between its math capabilities and its common sense; that a GPT will quietly break RSA without any awareness of the implications, and some unwitting person will prompt "what would happen if all the world's money was deposited in my account simultaneously" and GPT decides that there's only one way to know for sure.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#50
post #8

Colonel : The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards the development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you. Rose : Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans. Colonel : Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims. Rose : Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations a…

I highly recommend anybody who finds the written version of this compelling, to listen to the actual full clip on YouTube that is the radio exchange between these characters. For me, it was very chilling when I first heard it, and still is chilling anytime I relisten to it. Only ever played MGS5 but those games have spawned alot of highly interesting and a lot of times, deeply personal discourse. Each game certainly…

I don't think he had anything to do with Survive. That was a Konami cash grab after they threw him out.

His social commentary continued into Death Stranding. It had the 90s optimism of connecting everyone; literally bringing America Online in the aftermath of a deadly virus. (It was surreal playing through it before COVID.)

It's looking like the sequel's theme is "...maybe this wasn't a good idea." I can't wait to see his take on why.

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