I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.
Are there any plans to add ECC support (in the future) ?
Framework Laptop 16 Review
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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shipping is quite easy, especially for small and expensive things like laptops, where adding cost of DHL/DPD shipping is not a major deal. Tangentially, as they are doing it already, selling _to consumers_ is quite hard. Each country has different regulation placing a lot of obligations on the seller.
> Each country has different regulation placing a lot of obligations on the seller. Such as? Just curious
From Poland: obligatory non-renunciable 24-month warranty of fitness for the intended purpose for consumers. Instructions required in Polish. Detailed information about qualities of goods sold is compulsory (e.g. specification of components for a computer, just model number is not enough).
From Germany: specific requirements for "impressum" on each website. Definition of all quantities in SI units.
Things get more funny if you touch any food: labelling regulations have a common EU base, but definition of what detail level is required for each element is per country, and they do differ significantly.
For everywhere: obligation to collect and report VAT for each destination country.
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a very nice keyboard layout. I'm very happy I discovered it (even if it was by mistake!) Another example I can think about: remap the Ro key to toggle between international layout while it's pressed, so you can switch between layouts with a key right next to the shift key. For example, on a US/RU settting, press Ro while pressing the 6 keys to the right of Tab in a sequence and you would get ЙЦУКЕН, don't press…
Could you make the key under the C act as a Cmd/Ctrl key like a Mac?
With the extra keys, you can have 4 modifiers on each side of the space bar: Control, Win (Super), Alt and Cmd - total 8 modifiers, ideal for your thumbs!
This still leaves you with the Yen and the Ro key to map for other things!
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're not alone with the cooking laptop in a bag running Linux issue. I had those in the past with Dell/Toshiba laptops in the past.
It's funny but sad how this has literally been an issue for 20+ years and yet still no one can fix it. I've tried with many laptops, both Windows and Linux, and the only one that can reliably go into a backpack with >90% charge and come out after a flight with >80% is a Macbook, and that's also been true for more than a decade.
my only datapoint here is that I have a Thinkpad X1 running Debian that doesn't cook, and keeps a charge, but I have no idea how I pulled that off
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Phoronix has some power consumption information in their review: https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-laptop-16/8 For Framework Laptop 13 12th Gen, we have an article on optimizing power consumption (this one is written for Ubuntu, but should largely apply to Debian): https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-ubuntu-bat...
Haha and they say Linux is hard to use! What could be simpler?
Not needed by most people even on bleeding edge hardware. One can take Windows into the weeds as well.
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#386My 11th gen Intel Framework is my only PC and has been a great machine. I use it for dev, gaming, and general computing. Integrated Intel graphics goes surprisingly far if you run games at 720p - Skyrim, Dishonered, the Mass Effects, and more recently Battlebit all run well. I'd imagine the more recent Ryzens would be much better. I want the 16 for more screen real-estate and better gaming; I've had family notice my…
> run games at 720p - Skyrim, Dishonered, the Mass Effects 720p and games that are 12+ years old or are deliberately low poly. That's not the most ringing of endorsements.
I remember playing Skyrim in 720p on my 2012 MacBook Air through wine..
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a part of Framework, but I imagine they're less interested in becoming their own secondary market.
We don't plan to have a take-back program, but we have shared in the past that we plan to launch a consumer to consumer resale path in our Marketplace.
Will it also be limited to only a few countries like your direct sales?
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Even though Fedora is (afaict?) the best supposed Linux distro As someone who had a 12th-gen mainboard and upgraded to an AMD board, and assuming you meant "supported" here, the rest of the points here are fine but this one rather explicitly is off. Ubuntu is the primary supported distro across the board: https://frame.work/linux Fedora was recommended for AMD mainboards when Framework started shipping them, becaus…
There isn't really anything on that page says Ubuntu is the primary supported distro and Fedora isn't. They seem to both be equally supported with no preference according to both the listings and the wording on the page.
Click on + for Fedora and Ubuntu and check "Stability"
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Typing this on 12th gen running Fedora, and I have none of the issues you describe. I've been daily driving this laptop for 2 years, and my only complaint is the mediocre battery life (I get 5-6 hours with mixed use and around 50% display brightness). I did switch from the glossy to matte display, which was a massive improvement for use on the go.
If you don't mind sharing, what modules do you have plugged in and how much battery do you lose if you don't touch the laptop for 2-3 days?
I have a similar usage pattern where there might be days at a time where I don't boot up my personal laptop. With an 11th Gen and Fedora I set it up with a swap partition and force it to hibernate after 30 minutes. So far it's worked well.
It can take 10-20 seconds to boot up but battery drain while not is use has dropped to maybe 2% for any extended periods of non-use. As an 11th gen user, it exacerbates the CMOS problem I mentioned earlier but that hopefully shouldn't be an issue with the 12th gen mainboards.
This is a guide I've seen recommended: https://community.frame.work/t/guide-fedora-36-hibernation-w...
Hope that helps.
Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's notable that a lot of 'smaller' laptops are coming along with ~14" now, rather than the 13" standard. I appreciate that the FW13 is really FW13.5, but if the next work you focus on (having launched the 16) is a FW14 or FW14.5, that would be lovely - especially if you took the opportunity to shave a few hundred grams off it as well!
I'm very against this trend. It's a bit like how compact cars have been slowly ruined by getting bigger and bigger. 13" is a great size for a truly portable use case.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess :)
I find a 'standard' 13" (as on an older Macbook Air, for example, which I think is technically 13.3" and 16:10?) a bit too claustrophobic for anything creative - either due to apps needing toolbars, or my workflow needing multiple windows accessible (e.g. coding, with VSCode, a shell or two, and a browser for docs and StackOverflow).
A 15" (which I have now) is nice to work with, but then the laptop becomes a touch too heavy for travelling comfort (unless this is something you specifically optimise for when buying e.g. [0] - but then there are other tradeoffs).
Thus I wonder if a 14-14.5" with minimal bezels, set in a lightweight chassis similar to a traditional 13" (see how big the bezels are on an older Macbook Air, for example - lots of space for a larger screen without unduly enlarging the chassis) might not be a sweet spot?