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Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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So a nuclear power plant adjacent to the ocean and a desal plant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident We can have safe nuclear power, right after we invent safe people. Till you solve the human problem nukes are bad mmmkay.

We can have safe nuclear, full stop. Your FUD notwithstanding.

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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With solar energy prices plummeting, it may make sense during peak production hours to use it to do desalination and/or extract water from the air, depending on where you are.

It's like trying to use a hammer to screw some bolts. The priority should be sustainable development. We have enough water, just not great usage. The water infrastructure we have today is aged and needs to expand to allow for the population growth the country has seen. On top of that, we are expanding cities in parts of the country where water is scarce. We are growing water intensive crops in parts of the country that does not have water for it. We are also mismanaging the largest watershed in the country: the Missisippi. Just focus on these problems than creating other problems with desalination.

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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At least farming feeds people rather than taking water from communities purely for profit

In a way - it mostly provides for dairy, which is an incredibly lossy operation. The "alfalfa in the desert" stuff you hear about isn't for salads. It's feed for cattle. A gallon of milk requires [edit](4-5 gallons excluding consumption for growing feed, ~800 gallons, contested, fully realized)[1, 2] and a pound of beef requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 gallons. [3] Beef is where the water goes, not Nest…

> It's feed for cattle.

Saudi Dairy. All that alfalfa grown with groundwater in the desert is shipped to a country that banned growing alfalfa with groundwater in the desert.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/in-drought-stricken-ar...

https://www.fastcompany.com/90963878/arizona-is-evicting-a-s...

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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I think the future is going to find the past 100 years or so an insane time in history as we used all the fossil fuels and water up in the blink of an eye on the historical time scale.

> an insane time in history as we used all the fossil fuels and water up in the blink of an eye on the historical time scale.

I'm probably not telling you anything you didn't already know, but this is what exponential growth does. Even when the exponent is tiny.

If I had a solution to the impending energy / water crunch, somebody would've thought of it already. :-(

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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Between climate change, nuclear war, AI, resource famines, and political instability, we're only missing alien invasion and the return of the AntiChrist to complete the set of possible apocalypses.

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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In a way - it mostly provides for dairy, which is an incredibly lossy operation. The "alfalfa in the desert" stuff you hear about isn't for salads. It's feed for cattle. A gallon of milk requires [edit](4-5 gallons excluding consumption for growing feed, ~800 gallons, contested, fully realized)[1, 2] and a pound of beef requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 gallons. [3] Beef is where the water goes, not Nest…

> It's feed for cattle. Saudi Dairy. All that alfalfa grown with groundwater in the desert is shipped to a country that banned growing alfalfa with groundwater in the desert. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/in-drought-stricken-ar... https://www.fastcompany.com/90963878/arizona-is-evicting-a-s...

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Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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At least farming feeds people rather than taking water from communities purely for profit

In a way - it mostly provides for dairy, which is an incredibly lossy operation. The "alfalfa in the desert" stuff you hear about isn't for salads. It's feed for cattle. A gallon of milk requires [edit](4-5 gallons excluding consumption for growing feed, ~800 gallons, contested, fully realized)[1, 2] and a pound of beef requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 gallons. [3] Beef is where the water goes, not Nest…

now do almonds..... Which alot of people want to use as a replacement for things like Milk, or Flour....

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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With solar energy prices plummeting, it may make sense during peak production hours to use it to do desalination and/or extract water from the air, depending on where you are.

> solar energy prices plummeting

Shopping for solar in California, prices aren't plummeting. With high interest rates, solar no longer makes economic sense. Its more expensive than ever. Many solar installers are facing bankruptcy because the market has collapsed.

Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a way - it mostly provides for dairy, which is an incredibly lossy operation. The "alfalfa in the desert" stuff you hear about isn't for salads. It's feed for cattle. A gallon of milk requires [edit](4-5 gallons excluding consumption for growing feed, ~800 gallons, contested, fully realized)[1, 2] and a pound of beef requires somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 gallons. [3] Beef is where the water goes, not Nest…

now do almonds..... Which alot of people want to use as a replacement for things like Milk, or Flour....

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Re: Majority of America's underground water stores are drying up, study finds

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident We can have safe nuclear power, right after we invent safe people. Till you solve the human problem nukes are bad mmmkay.

Nobody died in Fukushima, except in a bungled evacuation of the surrounding area. Maybe one person in the fullness of time. Nuclear power is literally the safest power source in deaths per TWh - right between wind and solar. [1] We have safe nuclear power, so I'm pleased to inform you that your concern was mitigated, about 50 years ago. [edit] Also, I would point out the worst nuclear accident in history killed 4000…

Great, we're looking at deaths till the point of generation.

4.5 billion years, is the half life of uranium. Come back to me with stats then....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

We're going to be pouring money into that shit show for probably a 1000 years, and an exclusion zone for 20,000.

So if you want to move next to Fukushima or Chernobyl you can preach safe nuclear from there, other wise stop the nonsene. The same companies that kill people with coal, and gas lines, and Power lines (lookin at you PGE) dont need to run nuclear plants. They are untrustworthy.

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