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Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

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Having followed Paul's writing for awhile, I feel like I get where he's coming from and what he hopes to do with this endeavor. I really respect that. But I still have to question the viability, and ultimately the value, of this honestly rather extreme abstentionism. If he were moving to a village in Thailand, things would be different – he'd be surrounded by people who don't need the internet, and the society he'd b…

"If he were moving to a village in Thailand" Having spent a few months in a village in Northern Thailand, I was quite happy on the speed our internet connection was usually providing us. Generally used for checking email, skype, news and that passive income sources were still working. Going rural in more remote places, where the area is cut off by rain or snow for some months of the year is far more challenging and i…

If you combine the fraction of my FIOS and Cellphone bills that go to internet connectivity I am probably spending over 100$ a month. While ATM's and checks are annoying on net I would probably save money.

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

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> Now imagine showing someone from 1990 what things are like in 2012 with the internet we have today. While they would think it's "neat" and even "amazing", the magic effect would not be there. I wonder what the biggest "future shock" for (let's say) a 1995 web user visiting the 2012 web? Video and bandwidth seem like the biggest differences, but as you point out, neither are "magic" from a 1995 context.

Video and bandwidth are impressive - 1995 was still painfully slow for many people. People maybe had 56 kbit/s, but perhaps that dropped back to 33.3 kbit/s because of noisy lines. (v90 was approved late 1998). I was stuck on 14.4 kbps for ages. Oh god. ("Sloppy" is apparently a modem speed simulator. ( http://www.dallaway.com/sloppy/ ) ) But I think the magic would be video and bandwidth on a handheld device?

I've noticed that the web has gotten more useful. Google has an answer for more and more things. Wikipedia covers more topics. The qualitative difference is real, but hard to measure, because we can't search the web as it was in 2004, using the google of 2004.

I know I only went halfway back. If you go to 1995, there's a whole class of services that didn't exist.

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

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What was the quote I heard recently on NPR.. something like: "Without internet it is back to 1970, without electricity, its back to 1890" something like that anyway.

Any idea what show that was?

im looking and i cant find the source. i must have been zoning out on that commute and remembered it wrong.

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

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Couple of years back I hiked in Himalayas and there was no access to Internet for 15 days. Not just Internet but no cell phones, TVs, iPod etc. For first 3-4 days when we were still in rural towns of India, we had electricity but after that we had no access to electricity. I must say it was the best experience of my life. I don't think I missed anything at all. As far as author goes, 1 year is a really long time. I'd…

but how did you plan the vacation? I imagine you used the Internet pretty extensively. You didn't give up the Internet, you just went somewhere that didn't have it. Your time was spent doing something else, and you (probably) had plans on how to get around already. If you gave up the Internet before you planned your trip, could you have gone?

No. I went with the specific purpose of living life in its purest form. No technology to interrupt life. I did it as an experiment too. The only thing that I missed was GPS but rest other things were superfluous. So I've realized only GPS is a "painkiller". Rest other things are vitamins.

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

but how did you plan the vacation? I imagine you used the Internet pretty extensively. You didn't give up the Internet, you just went somewhere that didn't have it. Your time was spent doing something else, and you (probably) had plans on how to get around already. If you gave up the Internet before you planned your trip, could you have gone?

Or if he used the Internet to schedule a one-way trip there, how easily could he get home without using the Internet?

In fact I did exactly that. I scheduled one way trip using Internet. But I came back home without any help from web. Asking indigenous people solved that problem. And I also had those good ol' printed maps (instead of Google Maps) of that area.

I highly recommend this type of adventure. Its a lifetime experience.

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

#87

Every few months I see a grand announcement on Facebook from someone or another about how they are closing their account. It always strikes me as a plea for their friends to beg them to stay. In this case obviously he is a writer so he probably has the idea that he will write a pulitzer-prize winning article about his year spent offline. I think if you're truly fed up with technology, just drop out. No need to make a…

I suspect a year writing a book of some kind, perhaps not about the Internet absence. Given the nature of this gentleman's job, I suspect a chunky advance to live off and some kind of plan. I know this is a very small gesture in comparison, but I now spend time at a small cafe with no wifi and poor mobile phone signal for a couple of hours between commitments on Mondays. Mind mapping on paper and writing on a small n…

I'm totally in favor of unplugging for a bit, although I never seem to do it!

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

#88

Having followed Paul's writing for awhile, I feel like I get where he's coming from and what he hopes to do with this endeavor. I really respect that. But I still have to question the viability, and ultimately the value, of this honestly rather extreme abstentionism. If he were moving to a village in Thailand, things would be different – he'd be surrounded by people who don't need the internet, and the society he'd b…

It is pretty interesting to list everything internet-related (from VOIP to bill payments to search) and realize that we're in a period similar to the era in which electricity became a utility. In the early 20th century, electricity was still uncommon in many places; Lenin's slogan[1] in the 1920s was that "Communism = Soviet Power + Electrification of the whole country".

Paul David[2] is an economic historian who pointed out that factories were completely redesigned once people realized they didn't need to be centered on a steam engine:

  Electric light bulbs were available by 1879, and there 
  were generating stations in New York and London by 1881. 
  Yet a thoughtful observer in 1900 would have found little 
  evidence that the "electricity revolution" was making 
  business more efficient.

  Steam-powered manufacturing had linked an entire 
  production line to a single huge steam engine. As a 
  result, factories were stacked on many floors around the 
  central engine, with drive belts all running at the same 
  speed. The flow of work around the factory was governed by 
  the need to put certain machines close to the steam 
  engine, rather than the logic of moving the product from 
  one machine to the next. When electric dynamos were first 
  introduced, the steam engine would be ripped out and the 
  dynamo would replace it. Productivity barely improved.

  Eventually, businesses figured out that factories could be 
  completely redesigned on a single floor. Production lines 
  were arranged to enable the smooth flow of materials 
  around the factory. Most importantly, each worker could 
  have his or her own little electric motor, starting it or 
  stopping it at will. The improvements weren't just 
  architectural but social: Once the technology allowed 
  workers to make more decisions, they needed more training 
  and different contracts to encourage them to take 
  responsibility.
We can probably do yet another iteration on factories once the existence of ubiquitous data fully sinks in. For one thing, machines can now know the states of other machines in the factory and optimize their production accordingly. I guess Honda's dark factories are the first version of this.

The overall phenomenon is really just Marc Andreessen's thesis[3] in another guise. Today, "Software is Eating the World", and software engineers + the internet are automating processes and arguably obsolescing many jobs. But if we warped back 80-90 years or so, we'd say that "Electricity is Eating the World", and electrical and mechanical engineers were the ones automating processes and obsolescing jobs.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOELRO_plan

[2] http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_undercover_economist/...

[3] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405311190348090457651...

Re: I'm leaving the Internet for a year

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It's one thing to go on a vacation and cut yourself off. It's another thing to cut yourself off for the day to day grind.

Here's one guy's experience of life (5 months of travels through Africa) before cell phones and, in general, most modern technology. http://www.quora.com/Mobile-Phones/What-was-daily-life-like-...

That's a great story. I went to Nairobi in 2004 and had the opportunity to stay with host families for three months. In 2004 there, slow Internet was available in Internet cafes for about $1/hr and some people had cell phones but mostly a family would have one and share it amongst them.

Because the landline phones were so poor due to government monopoly, many people didn't even bother using them. It was common for friends to just suddenly show up at your home. It would have been the same way in the Western world before telephones. For me, it was pretty nice. Everything seemed much more social and there was much more spontaneity on a daily basis instead of everything requiring planning.

Now that cell phones are more common there, I have no idea if people still just show up at friend's homes. Unfortunately, I would assume it would be something that will die away.

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