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Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by Shaolol »

tpoacher wrote: post #117

Aaand here's the inevitable doxxing that's now come out from having this video being posted, if anyone's still reading this thread. https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO Given how predictable this kind of mob reaction was, I still maintain the person filming was a dick; within legal rights or otherwise. Some of the comments here gleefully implying FAFO / Streisand Effect and the like, are baffling to say the least. Meanwhile,…

"very sensible" - Starts off describing own group in glowing terms. - Centers piano as flashpoint while ignoring own group's demands to not be recorded, to stop streaming, and to delete video. - Ends up impugning and blaming streamer.

This isn't a sensible response. This is casting blame solely on the other party. A guilty child could have written this. Stop falling for this.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by Shaolol »

g-b-r wrote: post #63

The chinese guy becomes a huge moron when he claims he touched her, but the pianist is a big jerk as well. Calling "freedom" the right to film (and publish on YouTube) anyone is ludicrous (yeah I know how many Americans do that). Your freedom ends when others' freedoms begin, and if you had to assume that everything you do in public would be stored forever for the world to see your freedom just tanked.

Your freedom to not be recorded in public ends where others' freedom to record still pictures and live video begins. I am surprised that your are learning about competing interests so late in life. Some countries come down on the side of the person doing the recording, and other countries come down on the side of the person not wishing to be recorded.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#123

Post by Shaolol »

ShaolinTrooper wrote: post #98

The thing is that the Chinese people didn't want to be filmed because they knew it will be published on Youtube for revenue and that's what they didn't want. They allow people to film on a normal basis because it will not be published for profit. That's what Brendan didn't understand in the first place. The Chinese man was in the wrong for escalating the situation gathering more attention and it seemed like he was ma…

They were in the wrong for thinking they could force someone to stop recording their faces in public. "Please don't record us. No? Okay. Have a nice day." The Chinese people need to learn to abide by the customs, rules, and etiquette of the countries they visit, work in, or live in.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#124

Post by g-b-r »

ETH_start wrote: post #119
g-b-r wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do, and it is, even if it doesn't involve muscles. Can I avoid it if you refuse to blur me / not upload the video ? Sure, by beating you up maybe, but that's not really allowed in today's society xD

You haven't described any aspect of filming you that forces you to do something, yet still maintain a right to use force against those who film in public.

You can't see how you're forced to constrain your behavior if you're going on YouTube? (assuming you were presentable to begin with)

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#125

Post by g-b-r »

Shaolol wrote: post #122
g-b-r wrote: post #63

The chinese guy becomes a huge moron when he claims he touched her, but the pianist is a big jerk as well. Calling "freedom" the right to film (and publish on YouTube) anyone is ludicrous (yeah I know how many Americans do that). Your freedom ends when others' freedoms begin, and if you had to assume that everything you do in public would be stored forever for the world to see your freedom just tanked.

Your freedom to not be recorded in public ends where others' freedom to record still pictures and live video begins. I am surprised that your are learning about competing interests so late in life. Some countries come down on the side of the person doing the recording, and other countries come down on the side of the person not wishing to be recorded.

Since not recording (or blurring) is a much lesser sacrifice, and for millennia you could rely on cameras and YouTube not being around, it's easy to decide which side to favour.

At this point I wonder if this recording freedom idea was one of those used to spread surveillance cameras (I wasn't following English media at the time)

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#126

Post by ghostpepper »

Shaolol wrote: post #121
tpoacher wrote: post #117

Aaand here's the inevitable doxxing that's now come out from having this video being posted, if anyone's still reading this thread. https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO Given how predictable this kind of mob reaction was, I still maintain the person filming was a dick; within legal rights or otherwise. Some of the comments here gleefully implying FAFO / Streisand Effect and the like, are baffling to say the least. Meanwhile,…

"very sensible" - Starts off describing own group in glowing terms. - Centers piano as flashpoint while ignoring own group's demands to not be recorded, to stop streaming, and to delete video. - Ends up impugning and blaming streamer. This isn't a sensible response. This is casting blame solely on the other party. A guilty child could have written this. Stop falling for this.

Interesting that it’s been deleted now also

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#127

Post by ghostpepper »

jacknews wrote: post #21
jacknews wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

true, they didn't say 'stop filming or we'll break your legs', but it was nonetheless attempt to intimidate.

I'm now slightly intrigued as to what they are actually doing. By their accents, they've clearly been in UK for a while, are gathered for some kind of patriotic celebration or whatever, and very much don't want to be filmed. It's most likely just a university compatriot get-together or something similar, but this is the fuel of conspiracy theories, sleeper cells, etc.

The woman in the video posted a tweet explaining that they were there to film their own video that was meant to be secret until after Chinese new year. You can see they have their own camera with them in the video

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#128

Post by ghostpepper »

ShaolinTrooper wrote: post #98

The thing is that the Chinese people didn't want to be filmed because they knew it will be published on Youtube for revenue and that's what they didn't want. They allow people to film on a normal basis because it will not be published for profit. That's what Brendan didn't understand in the first place. The Chinese man was in the wrong for escalating the situation gathering more attention and it seemed like he was ma…

Can you explain what being filmed “for revenue” has to do with it?

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#129

Post by Shaolol »

g-b-r wrote: post #125
Shaolol wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your freedom to not be recorded in public ends where others' freedom to record still pictures and live video begins. I am surprised that your are learning about competing interests so late in life. Some countries come down on the side of the person doing the recording, and other countries come down on the side of the person not wishing to be recorded.

Since not recording (or blurring) is a much lesser sacrifice, and for millennia you could rely on cameras and YouTube not being around, it's easy to decide which side to favour. At this point I wonder if this recording freedom idea was one of those used to spread surveillance cameras (I wasn't following English media at the time)

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Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#130

Post by Shaolol »

tpoacher wrote: post #30
0xSNAFU wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel. https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/p...

What's on that link describes a very different situation from "should you be allowed to film and post online (for profit no less) private citizens who have explicitly withdrawn their consent, just because you happen to be filming them in a public place?" The police are public officials. The law in question says it is not illegal for citizens to record public officials, including police officers. I would imagine this…

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