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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by KomoD »

theshrike79 wrote: post #349
selectodude wrote: post #294

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Warranty terms, language support, needing a legal representative in every country, to start.

I'm a 1000% sure the place I order my stuff from in Germany doesn't have a representative in Finland. That's the whole damn point of the EU. I think there might be some regulation on having the instructions written in the native language, but that's like 100€ to a translator for an one-time job. No laptop comes with an extensive manual. Warranty terms are EU-wide too mostly, there are some country-specific exceptions…

Yeah that's what I thought, I've ordered from many places in the EU that do not have any kind of presence or representative in my country.

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Post by abrouwers »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #281
jakamau wrote: post #190

I have the DIY FW13 Intel 11th Gen with Fedora. I've had an overall positive experience and have enjoyed tinkering with it. My only negative with it has been the issue specific to 11th gens where the CMOS drains and eventually dies if the laptop is left unplugged for days-to-weeks at a time. On the whole Framework handled the issue well, there was no permanent fix without soldering or replacing the board. The company…

I have mixed feelings. I bought mine hoping Framework would improve the SW (especially firmware and drivers) over time but that hasn't been the case. My 12th gen has issues with abysmal battery life while sleeping (not just the regular Intel 12th gen sleep complaints, but batt life varies greatly depending on which expansion cards you have on the laptop while sleeping eg USB-A vs -C). Framework has been beta testing…

My brightness keys started working recently, without any work arounds. Are you on an up to date fedora 39?

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Post by dheera »

ammar2 wrote: post #238
dheera wrote: post #197

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Yes, I've seen those though unfortunately I'm not a hardware engineer and would have a hard time reproducing them. Even if I could figure out how to get a PCB made from a KiCAD file I wouldn't be able to do the surface-mount soldering without botching everything. I'd love to be able to just pay for them and buy them and then get rolling with software :)

> Even if I could figure out how to get a PCB made from a KiCAD file I wouldn't be able to do the surface-mount soldering without botching everything. For what it's worth, some places like JLCPCB can source and solder SMT components to your designed boards as long as you pick from their available parts library.

Thanks! I'll take a look into this. I always thought PCBs required minimum order quantities in the tens to get assembled (mostly because I had a startup before in which we had an EE that took care of this)

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Post by zbrozek »

cassepipe wrote: post #370
zbrozek wrote: post #312

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Deepest apologies; I meant to say grille. Regardless of the flow direction, I am constantly blocking the aperture with my legs or blanket. The touchpad frequently misidentifies movement as taps, something that hasn't been a problem for me on the Macbook Pro, the X1 Carbon, or the Microsoft Surface. The keyboard keys aren't too bad, but could have a sharper inflection point in the force vs travel and also be little bi…

I don't think it has ever been a good idea to rest a laptop on a blanket on even laps for more than a few minutes... Anyways, that's been a concern on all my previous laptops. I bought a second laptop platform-cushion for my legs/bedtime and it's much better no matter the laptop. Same for touchpad issues, my big palms sides have always been the source of misidentified clicks. The way I solved it on linux was by makin…

I'm good about keeping my wrists straight; it's not a palm problem. I very frequently want to tap and then move, but end up erroneously dragging.

Regarding the blanket; it's cool indoors here and so blankets are a fact of life. My other laptops have no issue with this because grilles aren't on the bottom. They usually draw or exhaust from the hinge and do the opposite from the sides. Also it's called a laptop, being on a lap is an expected use-case.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

starkparker wrote: post #292
Rebelgecko wrote: post #281

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I have mixed feelings. I bought mine hoping Framework would improve the SW (especially firmware and drivers) over time but that hasn't been the case. My 12th gen has issues with abysmal battery life while sleeping (not just the regular Intel 12th gen sleep complaints, but batt life varies greatly depending on which expansion cards you have on the laptop while sleeping eg USB-A vs -C). Framework has been beta testing…

> Even though Fedora is (afaict?) the best supposed Linux distro As someone who had a 12th-gen mainboard and upgraded to an AMD board, and assuming you meant "supported" here, the rest of the points here are fine but this one rather explicitly is off. Ubuntu is the primary supported distro across the board: https://frame.work/linux Fedora was recommended for AMD mainboards when Framework started shipping them, becaus…

Where does it say Ubuntu is preferred? When I got laptop (verified w/archive.org) the list even explicitly ranked Fedora above Ubuntu wrt ease of use

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Post by mespe »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #339
mespe wrote: post #316

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Typing this on 12th gen running Fedora, and I have none of the issues you describe. I've been daily driving this laptop for 2 years, and my only complaint is the mediocre battery life (I get 5-6 hours with mixed use and around 50% display brightness). I did switch from the glossy to matte display, which was a massive improvement for use on the go.

If you don't mind sharing, what modules do you have plugged in and how much battery do you lose if you don't touch the laptop for 2-3 days?

I have 2x USB-C, 1X USB-A, and HDMI plugged in.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really know how much battery I would lose - the laptop is rarely untouched for more than a day or so and in the rare situations when it has been, it has been either completely powered off or left plugged in. I don't know if it's ever been in a situation where it was left in a sleep-state for multiple days.

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Post by natrys »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #360
csdvrx wrote: post #290

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It is a very nice keyboard layout. I'm very happy I discovered it (even if it was by mistake!) Another example I can think about: remap the Ro key to toggle between international layout while it's pressed, so you can switch between layouts with a key right next to the shift key. For example, on a US/RU settting, press Ro while pressing the 6 keys to the right of Tab in a sequence and you would get ЙЦУКЕН, don't press…

Could you make the key under the C act as a Cmd/Ctrl key like a Mac?

There are probably many ways of doing it at software level, I would suggest either of these two cross-platform tools:

[1] https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad

[2] https://github.com/jtroo/kanata

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Post by mixmastamyk »

zbrozek wrote: post #369
mixmastamyk wrote: post #362

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I have that one and no crashes at all. If I had to guess you might have some bad RAM causing it. Try running a memtest like program to see if it finds anything. Latest Fedora 39 kernel fixed a problem I had switching from graphics to a virtual terminal and back.

I've done that and have had zero errors after running as many loops as completed overnight (if memory serves, just under ten full loops of memtest86+). But I agree with the intuition; I was also suspicious of memory.

I see. Graphics drivers were my second idea. They will mature.

Another poster on here a while ago said that it took up to two years for a brand new AMD chipset to get fully supported on Linux. I remember that happening even to an old Intel Dell I had with docking station.

(Looks like this kernel param is meant to solve my problem: amdgpu.sg_display=0 rather than the updated kernel.)

Anyway if you can't get it stable, I'd call support to replace your motherboard perhaps. Shouldn't have to suffer with crashes.

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