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Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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Context: Furbys were the toy for a year or two, and were actively marketed as learning from speech, had an active mic, and did adjust their speech based on what they heard, "learning" to speak English from Furbish. [^1] It's not so different from the fundamental fear of Alexa/Assistant/microphones that's fairly well diffused now. Except the Furby actively claimed to learn how to speak based on your speech, and had a…

That confirms what I remember from that time - kids were convinced you could teach it to say things, but I never saw any of them succeed. I think a big toy company would be somewhat averse to having their flagship product spew racial slurs.

Slippery marketing plays a big part in this, so I can't blame kids for thinking that. I remember the commercials for these toys and there was an implication that dialogue was possible (specifically remember a commercial where kids are introducing themselves to a Furby and the Furby responds in kind).

To look at another example of how dishonest marketing tends to be aimed at kids, Kevin McCallister had a Talkboy in Home Alone 2 that, for purposes of the film, had absolutely insane fidelity when it came to recording a playback. As someone who actually owns one (I collect and repair old electronic toys and computers as a hobby), I can tell you that the film and marketing definitely oversold the devices capabilities. The playback in particular is really quite awful, and this assessment comes from a fully restored device.

Another interesting point in your comment reminds me of a parrot my grandma had when I was young. Not a visit to Grandma's would go by without little me trying to secretly teach it cuss words while nobody else was in the room. What a time!

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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It's interesting to see how quickly the norms around cybersecurity changed. In 1999 the NSA was worried about avoiding ridicule for banning simple electronics in secure areas. In 2010 Stuxnet was introduced via simple electronics into a secure area and set back the Iranian nuclear program by several years. Some of the people receiving these furby emails were probably already conceiving of (or actively working on) Stu…

NSA dealt with cases of espionage via the introduction of simple electronics into secure areas decades before [1] [2], so awareness of the risk was likely widespread. The issue here seems to have been that in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) [2] https://ww…

Which is, of course, completely ridiculous for us in the year 2024 where random consumer devices feed every bit of data they can conceive about their surroundings into semi legal data aggregators 24/7

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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> Apparently, these stuffed critters learn from nearby speech patterns. That would definitely be a security concern."

Haha. So Alexa, Siri and Google are not "security comcerns". Only the "stuffed critters". /s

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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NSA dealt with cases of espionage via the introduction of simple electronics into secure areas decades before [1] [2], so awareness of the risk was likely widespread. The issue here seems to have been that in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) [2] https://ww…

>in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. For added context, the plot of the movie Charlie's Angels from the year 2000, was about stopping an evil guy from using some evil software he developed to ... track people using their cellphones. (ㆆ _ ㆆ)

> For added context, the plot of the movie Charlie's Angels from the year 2000, was about stopping an evil guy from using some evil software he developed to ... track people using their cellphones.

This makes me think we should have a big revival for that movie.

On the other hand, essentially the same functionality in a more grandiose presentation was prominently featured in Batman Begins (2005) and the explicit message was "not even Batman should be able to do this".

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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We all used this kind of advanced technology to connect to the internet back in the 90s.

Not really. The phone lines were not compressed then.

They were, they got compressed with G.711 or G.722.

In fact, that's why your 56kbps modem would often fall back to 38.4kbps or 28k8, until the phone company installed a fancy new exchange that demodulated the 56kbps stream and didn't compress it. The 56kbps was also due to sampling limits/bandlimiters, on the same copper line you could also get a fully digital ISDN line that did 64kbps. (And if they remove all the filters and band limits, you can reach DSL speeds.)

There's nothing inherently special about voice-compression compared to any other kind of interference/distortion you can get on an analogue line.

Also, faxes still work?

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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NSA dealt with cases of espionage via the introduction of simple electronics into secure areas decades before [1] [2], so awareness of the risk was likely widespread. The issue here seems to have been that in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) [2] https://ww…

>in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. For added context, the plot of the movie Charlie's Angels from the year 2000, was about stopping an evil guy from using some evil software he developed to ... track people using their cellphones. (ㆆ _ ㆆ)

Enemy of the State came out in 1998. It was only post Snowden leaks that some of the tin-foil hat conspiracy stuff was confirmed.

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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Fun fact: the 2016 model Furby uses an obscure ISA you've never heard of (and if you have, let me know!) called µnSP. I managed to get Pong running on a Furby a few years ago and by far the hardest part was figuring out that completely undocumented instruction set. Wrote added support for it to Ghidra which was a cool learning experience

is this documented somewhere?

Which part, unSP? There is a PDF floating around the Internet called "unSP Programmer's Guide". Annoyingly didn't find that PDF until after I had already REed everything

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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post #116

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>in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. For added context, the plot of the movie Charlie's Angels from the year 2000, was about stopping an evil guy from using some evil software he developed to ... track people using their cellphones. (ㆆ _ ㆆ)

Enemy of the State came out in 1998. It was only post Snowden leaks that some of the tin-foil hat conspiracy stuff was confirmed.

Welp I’m still waiting for my 360-degree camera tech…

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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>in 1999, it was a relative novelty for random consumer devices to have a recording functionality. Hard to imagine now, but there we are. For added context, the plot of the movie Charlie's Angels from the year 2000, was about stopping an evil guy from using some evil software he developed to ... track people using their cellphones. (ㆆ _ ㆆ)

> For added context, the plot of the movie Charlie's Angels from the year 2000, was about stopping an evil guy from using some evil software he developed to ... track people using their cellphones. This makes me think we should have a big revival for that movie. On the other hand, essentially the same functionality in a more grandiose presentation was prominently featured in Batman Begins (2005) and the explicit mess…

I believe you’re thinking of the sequel, the dark knight, 2008

Re: The NSA Furby Documents

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> It isnt simple. Getting a normal phone line to passively carry an encrypted call is a bit of a hack. How so? It would seem fairly trivial considering we have ways of sending data over phone lines as sound for decades.

Because the signal transmitted over normal phones has to be encrypted. That encrypted signal will then be digitized/compressed by the standard phone line. Any artifacts in the phone line digitization might turn the encrypted signal into gibberish. Its like compressing a jpeg too many times. So you need an encryption method that isnt simple digitization. You need something that is encrypted but essentially sounds like…

But that same re-compression happens with modem traffic. Your 56k modems deal with compression artifacts just fine, though sometimes dropping down to lower speeds.
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