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Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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> As long as we all remember that it's never a bad day to punch a nazi I'm not sure if I like the idea of being violent towards anyone because of their beliefs. Also, terms like nazi, antisemite or racist completely lost their meaning and nowadays just mean someone you disagree with.

Not even if that group does not wish the existence of other ethnic groups?

Seems to me that the correct response is always to punch a nazi.

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Here we are again. If anyone as much as hints at politics from the "other side", their account is immediately nuked. But it's all good when you guys do it. 80 highly political comments, all good. But no, hn is not political. And if it is, it surely is neutral and rational... Sure. And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more…

> And no, this were no protests against the "far right". It was an attempt to get the only opposition party in Germany banned, which is more than scary. The protests certainly weren't that. At the one I was at, the speaker made it abundantly clear that the protest isn't even against the AfD in particular (tho you could see lots of signs against them), but for democratic values. What should be noted is that both the p…

Force people who aren't allowed out of the country, exactly as the law says.

The protests in my and the surrounding cities were extremely focused on the afd. On the current push to ban it. And making highly illegal (and absurd) comparisons between the afd and Nazi Germany. Which just for foreigners reading is super illegal and if done by the other side is punished by incredibly high fines and regarded as one of the worst crimes our justice system knows.

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They have been fantasizing and publishing tomes on the topic for decades. Educate yourself. [<- not regarding your spelling in case it is not clear]

An eeeevil plan with a blog. And the Titanic was an insurance job. Apply just a little critical thinking. Please?

You are just full of strawmen and not a single coherent sentence. My mind is in perfect working order. Yours looks like it needs a tuneup and an education.

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Fascism and Communism. Two sides of the same coin. In fact, they are so similar even in their base, they ended up as mortal enemy of each other.

Can you expand on this point? It seems you are equating them just by virtue of authoritarianism, to me that's just one trait they share (and from which only Fascism has it necessarily in any instance it happens). I'd like to know what else you consider them to be so similar at to call "two sides of the same coin".

Yes, not only both of them are based on totalitarianism, they are also totalitarian systems based on ideology.

But there is more. Both began as support for the working class after World War I (in Germany). In fact, both the Communist Party and the Nazi movement fought for their influence on the workers and other disgruntled groups. They also used very similar methods like organizing strikes, providing support and shelter to the workers, using propaganda as the main method of communication, playing the nationalism card, nationalizing companies and seizing private assets for planned productions etc. Also their militaristic aggression as a means of expansion of their ideologies bears many similarities: Soviet in Afghanistan, Vietnam in Cambodia, China in Korea and beyond, etc... Even in terms of the will to genocide/mass kill the "enemies", they are not far from each other: Nazis and the concentration camps, Khmer Rouge and their killing fields, China and the Uighur prison camp/Cultural Revolution, Soviet Union and the Holodomor famine in Ukraine etc...

With enough power, both communism and fascism will tend to extremism and will not shy away from military aggression to spread their ideologies.

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Transathletes is a hill I'm willing to die on. There's no equality in letting men compete with women. Regardion migration, that's the vibe I got from OP. And I frequently see woke to bother about native and indigenous rights. But they shut silent about native europeans preserving their cultures.

A person who is alert about racial discrimination can still not support transathletes. That's a big discussion topic and many people have differing opinions. The post above clearly states that anti-woke is being used as a cover for racism. Supporting controlled migration is no racism (by itself, to be clear). Probably we have very different opinions about migration but none of us need to be racist. Racist people are…

I’m saying why woke gets the bad rap. As long as woke people themselves won’t set sane borders for their movement, they’ll be seen as more vocal parts of it.

I see „alert to racial prejudice“ issues all the time. E.g. mass media writing Black but white. And all the „muh racism“ crowd is silent.

Woke seems to be all about hipocrisy tbh.

Antifa in my experience is much less hipocritical. More like they’re kids looking for trouble to went their frustrations in physical ways. Both types of skinheads, „antifa“ and „neonazis“ fit perfectly together.

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Can you expand on this point? It seems you are equating them just by virtue of authoritarianism, to me that's just one trait they share (and from which only Fascism has it necessarily in any instance it happens). I'd like to know what else you consider them to be so similar at to call "two sides of the same coin".

Authoritarianism is commonly discussed as the foundation of each, without which neither can exist. i.e. they are each offshoots stemming from authoritarianism, and cannot exist without it.

Not only both of them are based on totalitarianism, they are totalitarian systems based on ideology.

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For context: This happened after an allegedly "secret plan against Germany" was leaked which the AfD conceived during a secret gathering and by which they want to "deport millions of citizens". What is not said however is: - that this meeting never was secret - there was no plan conceived but rather a kind of conservative TED-talk of individuals - that the smeared politicians (from other parties than AfD as well) are…

>that not one of the attendees used the word "deportation"

>that not one of the attendees talked about "deporting citizens"

semantics. "remigration" means the same thing.

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An eeeevil plan with a blog. And the Titanic was an insurance job. Apply just a little critical thinking. Please?

You are just full of strawmen and not a single coherent sentence. My mind is in perfect working order. Yours looks like it needs a tuneup and an education.

But not an education from any accredited institution, one would assume. What with them being in the thrall of the eeeevil conspiracy, and all.

University of YouTube, maybe? Faculty of Facebook?

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> So to be clear, the court did not declare him a Nazi. But close enough, that people may call him that. That wasn't a court case, it didn't even go to court. If there are so many, why pick one that wasn't a case? Prosecutors dropped a potential case against a protestor and said it's not a criminal insult because it's (roughly translated) subjective but evidence based? Germany has laws against being a Nazi. Either th…

Ok, I assumed you speak german but apparently not. "Germany has laws against being a Nazi." No we don't. There are laws against certain symbols etc. but you can be a Nazi as your political point of view. No one can prosecute you for it, but if you deny the holocaust, or wear a swastika - then yes (I actually do not agree to those restrictions btw.) But you also can openly try to convince other people of your Nazi ide…

Probably not worth spending energy on people that are on the revisionism level of "The Nazis were socialists" anyway, they've clearly decided to shut the door on reality.

Re: Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the rise of the far right

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For context: This happened after an allegedly "secret plan against Germany" was leaked which the AfD conceived during a secret gathering and by which they want to "deport millions of citizens". What is not said however is: - that this meeting never was secret - there was no plan conceived but rather a kind of conservative TED-talk of individuals - that the smeared politicians (from other parties than AfD as well) are…

>that not one of the attendees used the word "deportation" >that not one of the attendees talked about "deporting citizens" semantics. "remigration" means the same thing.

your just proving my point
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