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Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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I remember seeing someone’s demo of using them for knitting. Absent any better explanation, this seems pretty reasonable to me. Example video: https://youtu.be/76AvV601yJ0?si=7qk7VWBHJnxubs1j

This is a theory that keeps coming up on the internet. However, roman dodecahedra predate knitting by almost a thousand years. The earliest known knitting was from the 11th century ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knitting#History_and_culture ), while the earliest dodecahedra are from the 2nd century ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#History )

yarn rots

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1. glove knitting The dodecahedron Wikipedia article already mentions spool knitting [1]. This awesome video shows knitting for different-sized fingers on a 3d-printed replica [2]. An initial question could be whether 6 equally-sized holes align with each other, or if there are 12 different hole sizes for finer sizing options (hard to tell from internet images). And as for no wear on the tool, hardness of wool 2. Hai…

What if we "under-feather"[1] them, like dinosaurs? Then dodecahedrons could be just the skeleton of the actual tool.

Does the spacing of the knobs allow hinging wooden elements like on a Rubik's cube?

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20230726232243/https://www.atlas...

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How much Roman writing has survived? If this item was so common, it's strange that it isn't mentioned more in literature.

Lots of stuff isn't mentioned in writing. Combine the "Why would I write that down, everyone already knows that?"-effect with "most people weren't literate" and lots of banal every-day stuff like this gets lost in time.

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> probably for a magical or divinatory purpose rather than determining whether your wizard made her saving throw. Why should I assume humans playing recreational games is a recent invention?

Board games are much older than the Romans, though possibly not older than writing - and texts give us a bit of a clue that some early ones were part recreation part ceremonial. By Roman times pure recreational games were common and reasonably often referenced in their literature. They definitely used cubic dice with numbers on for games (and gambling). The icosahedral dice usually have Greek letters rather than numb…

Greek letters were used as numbers during the time of the Romans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_numerals

also, sorry to be that guy, but D&D hasn't had a thief class since 3rd edition came out, in 2000.

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The equivalent today would be 3Dbenchy boats -- "we found an identical boat toy design in multiple sites made of different plastic materials, colors and sizes. It is spread universally around the World cities, found in sites of crafts, leading us to believe it is an idol of a new 21st century religion predominant among workers of the arts and crafts"

Just like the Lenna image used in a lot of Computer Science papers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna

She actually showed up to an IEEE conference once, I think, in the late '90s, or early aughts.

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I thought it was determined to be a glove finger knitting apparatus.

Roman dodecahedra predate knitting by almost a thousand years. The earliest known knitting was from the 11th century ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knitting#History_and_culture ), while the earliest dodecahedra are from the 2nd century ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#History )

Meanwhile, elsewhere on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knitting

>Earlier pieces having a knitted or crocheted appearance have been shown to be made with other techniques, such as Nålebinding, a technique of making fabric by creating multiple loops with a single needle and thread, much like sewing.[4] Some artefacts have a structure so similar to knitting, for example, 3rd-5th century CE Romano-Egyptian toe-socks, that it is thought the "Coptic stitch" of nalbinding is the forerunner to knitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nålebinding

The lack of signs of wear is a bigger problem for this hypothesis IMHO

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3D printed plastics only last a few centuries. Future archeologists are not going to find these in thousands of years.

In a few decades, 3d printed metals and other long lasting materias might be accessible to hobbysts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXhH6SbYILg&t=945s

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The equivalent today would be 3Dbenchy boats -- "we found an identical boat toy design in multiple sites made of different plastic materials, colors and sizes. It is spread universally around the World cities, found in sites of crafts, leading us to believe it is an idol of a new 21st century religion predominant among workers of the arts and crafts"

If you try hard enough you could probably come up with some resemblances to male/female parts and thus classify this as belonging to a fertility cult.

"Yes yes the dodecahedron was considered a 'perfect' shape so this clearly represents a 'perfect' uterus surrounded by many ovaries, signifying overwhelming fertility." :P

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The equivalent today would be 3Dbenchy boats -- "we found an identical boat toy design in multiple sites made of different plastic materials, colors and sizes. It is spread universally around the World cities, found in sites of crafts, leading us to believe it is an idol of a new 21st century religion predominant among workers of the arts and crafts"

3D printed plastics only last a few centuries. Future archeologists are not going to find these in thousands of years.

Time to cast a Benchy in aluminium using lost PLA!
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