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Post by teslabox »

nrp wrote: post #107
biehl wrote: post #105

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Are you considering some quiet NUC-type machines? I have a very nice Starlabs Byte v1, but even more competition for the Mac Mini would be great.

We can't share anything about future product plans, but you can re-purpose a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard to be a small form factor computer: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mainboard-case/fr...

This case is available from Framework directly for $39: https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case-and...

Q: the pictures of this case on the CoolerMaster site looks like there's a USB-C trigger to a Coaxial power connector, then another connector to the mainboard itself. Would this case work with a 20v coaxial power supply?

Q: What voltage/wattage does the Framework SFF computer need to power up?

A lot of the USB-PD power supplies only give watts, not the voltage provided. Your 60w power supply is probably either 12v/5A or 20v/3A, but the page itself doesn't say: https://frame.work/products/power-adapter

I have some 15w USB-C 5v/3A power supplies (that won't charge my Sony camera), a USB-PD battery that supposedly puts out 12v on the one USB-C port, and an Apple 30w USB-C ac adapter. My 2016 macbook charges on 5v, which is convenient. Framework forum posts indicate the laptops will charge on 5v 12v and 20v, but there was a problem with 15v.

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Post by mft_ »

nrp wrote: post #40
candiddevmike wrote: post #21

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How many form factors are you planning on having?

We can't share anything about future product plans, but in general, as few as possible. We want to avoid splitting out into too many different ecosystems of parts, and instead maximize the size of the install base within a cross-compatible ecosystem.

It's notable that a lot of 'smaller' laptops are coming along with ~14" now, rather than the 13" standard. I appreciate that the FW13 is really FW13.5, but if the next work you focus on (having launched the 16) is a FW14 or FW14.5, that would be lovely - especially if you took the opportunity to shave a few hundred grams off it as well!

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Post by desireco42 »

When I need a laptop, I think 13" is factor I would go for. Definitely some creativity around even shells would be great, if not exotic keyboards and more. I currently have Thinkpad with PopOs! and love it, so I would go with that.

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Post by bombcar »

buildbot wrote: post #151
leeman2016 wrote: post #99

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You're not alone with the cooking laptop in a bag running Linux issue. I had those in the past with Dell/Toshiba laptops in the past.

Dell Windows laptops will also cook themselves. (For example: https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/xps/dell-957... ) Macbooks are the only device I would trust to not light a bag on fire…

Anecdata but I've had a MacBook do the cooking once, but it thermal throttled itself so it just got warm, not super hot.

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Post by theshrike79 »

lousken wrote: post #195
depressedpanda wrote: post #121

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When will it be available in Sweden? I followed the prompt on the website and signed up for the newsletter, but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe.

rest of the EU is supported via reshipping https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/eu-unsupported-SJByUb...

"Supported" is a stretch.

> All warranty service will require a shipping address within one of the EU countries we ship to.

So if I need to warranty something, I need to figure out how to have a shipping address in, say, Germany? Easy!

Oh and if the 2.5k€ laptop gets damaged by a 3rd party shipping company, I'm on the hook for it.

Yea, I'll wait. I can't figure out why it's so hard to ship stuff within the EU. The whole purpose of the European Union is to make moving products easy inside its borders.

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Post by mey »

nfriedly wrote: post #159

One more person chiming in to say that I'm really happy with my 13" AMD Framework laptop. It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid, I can charge it from either side, the screen is beautiful, it's nice and lightweight, the performance and battery life are good enough that I don't think about it. On the down side, the touchpad is a notable downgrade from the macbook I use for work, and th…

I am less bullish on the screen of the FW13. The color accuracy at various brightness levels leaves a bit to be desired. Gamma calibration seems to be problematic. My Gen 1 Surface Book, Dell Ultrasharp monitors (that are a decade old and only 99% sRGB), and M1 Macbook Air all have much better displays for accuracy out of the box.

The upside is that, if/when FW offers a better screen in the future (with touch?) I feel comfortable doing the swap myself.

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Post by vaylian »

user_7832 wrote: post #199
dheera wrote: post #166

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I love my FW13 too. I just wish it had more options for components. I can of course pick my own SSD and RAM configuration but that's true of every Lenovo laptop. I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR web…

> I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR webcam module, a depth camera webcam module, an Arduino expansion module, an IR emitter expansion module that controls TVs, etc etc etc. > But nobody seems interes…

> I'm a mechanical engineer with some electrical/electronics knowledge, and I could likely make a half-decent module if I had the time/money/reason/ethusiasm for it.

I consider myself to be a decent software engineer. But I am inexperienced in the area of creating my own hardware. I guess a lot of things are just knowing how to stick together pre-made components like "panels, SDRs, IMUs & sensors"? But how important is it to know circuit design?

There are a lot of unknown unknowns. And it is not clear what a good learning path would be to get started with hardware hacking as a hobbyist.

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Post by iguessthislldo »

dheera wrote: post #197
nrp wrote: post #179

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We've seen Microcontroller, SDR, and IR Expansion Cards from the community! We'd definitely love to see some of the even more complex ones though, and expect that as the community continues to mature and grow, some will make it through: https://community.frame.work/c/developer-program/85

Yes, I've seen those though unfortunately I'm not a hardware engineer and would have a hard time reproducing them. Even if I could figure out how to get a PCB made from a KiCAD file I wouldn't be able to do the surface-mount soldering without botching everything. I'd love to be able to just pay for them and buy them and then get rolling with software :)

I just got my AMD Framework 13, which I'm mostly happy with, but I'm in the same boat. It's great that's it's possible to attach these devices to the laptop, but the true nature of this seems to be that you have to make these things because there isn't a real market for them beyond what Framework is selling.

I did come up with something I would want enough that I'm willing to try to make it though. Taking inspiration from some other modules like it, I'm currently looking into adding this microcontroller with a transparent case:

https://github.com/01Space/ESP32-C3FH4-RGB

If I'm happy with it, I was going to try to have it show battery status like some other laptops have. This might be possible by wiring up another microcontroller to the SMBus on the battery. I'm still researching that part though.

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