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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by biehl »

nrp wrote: post #107
biehl wrote: post #105

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Are you considering some quiet NUC-type machines? I have a very nice Starlabs Byte v1, but even more competition for the Mac Mini would be great.

We can't share anything about future product plans, but you can re-purpose a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard to be a small form factor computer: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mainboard-case/fr...

Yes. That mainboard repurpose is awesome! A dedicated mini can probably have better/quieter cooling. Fingers crossed.

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Post by user_7832 »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

You had made a statement of not having the 8000 series AMD chips as it's not really a new "version", however for Intel is there any comment for Meteor Lake or is that a "we can't discuss future plans"? ;)

(I'm curious to know but I think I'll be getting the AMD 13 anyway, upgrading from a dualcore skylake laptop should still be nice :)

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Post by dheera »

user_7832 wrote: post #199
dheera wrote: post #166

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I love my FW13 too. I just wish it had more options for components. I can of course pick my own SSD and RAM configuration but that's true of every Lenovo laptop. I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR web…

> I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR webcam module, a depth camera webcam module, an Arduino expansion module, an IR emitter expansion module that controls TVs, etc etc etc. > But nobody seems interes…

> you need such a panel to be available

Aren't they available? Just take apart a used MacBook for a retina display, or take apart a Boox 13.3" tablet for the eInk display.

Or just buy this https://www.waveshare.com/13.3inch-e-paper-hat.htm

But good luck reverse engineering it. I wouldn't know where to start.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by TkTech »

esskay wrote: post #41
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are there any plans to offer larger batteries and/or improve battery efficiency? From what I've read battery life is still an issue many seem to be having. With the greatest respect it's 2024, a laptop should be capable of 8 hours at the very minimum for a mid range model but I'm seeing a lot of people getting sub 2 hours. The 16 ticks all the boxes for me but I've held off for now as having the possibility of worse…

Battery is what prevents me from taking my 13 framework with me when traveling. I spend most of my time in pycharm, rebuild docker containers constantly, and have celery + postgres + redis running full tilt. The fan is running constantly, it's always burning hot, and the battery lasts under 2 hours (if I'm really lucky).

Previous generation Macbook running the same workload last for 6+ hours.

That said, for someone who isn't going to be running every core at 100% all the time, I'd still recommend it.

Edit: Oh, and under arch with the latest kernel, I find many monitors that cannot display video output over usb-c, like the Dell U4919DW.

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Post by user_7832 »

dheera wrote: post #204
user_7832 wrote: post #199

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> I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR webcam module, a depth camera webcam module, an Arduino expansion module, an IR emitter expansion module that controls TVs, etc etc etc. > But nobody seems interes…

> you need such a panel to be available Aren't they available? Just take apart a used MacBook for a retina display, or take apart a Boox 13.3" tablet for the eInk display. Or just buy this https://www.waveshare.com/13.3inch-e-paper-hat.htm But good luck reverse engineering it. I wouldn't know where to start.

> Aren't they available? Just take apart a used MacBook for a retina display, or take apart a Boox 13.3" tablet for the eInk display.

Yeah for sure, what I meant is that DIYing a fully custom screen with a custom resolution etc isn't very easy :)

If you're buying a panel or scavenging an existing panel it's much "easier". Of course that hasn't stopped youtubers from designing their own 7-segment LCD panels... (example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zoeeR3geTA or https://youtu.be/ZA5vlDdpbkw)

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Post by alwayslikethis »

ctsdownloads wrote: post #150
alwayslikethis wrote: post #72

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Hi - Linux still has spotty fractional scaling support. It would be nice to have a display option that is either usable without fractional scaling (1920x1200) or one that works with 2x scaling (3840x2400).

It's on the road to improve, as GNOME continues work here. KDE users have reported a cleaner look overall for applications that are not displaying in a way folks would like to see. Fedora Workstation for example, keeps folks to a 100 or 200% scale due to this, but it can be enabled easily enough if on e prefers. This is an area of active development that will continue to see improvement.

Note GTK3/4 doesn't have true fractional scaling. What it does is scaling up to 2x and downsample to the required resolution. This is not that visible but it does produce some blur, along with the performance overhead. Qt5 doesn't support it either, though Qt6 does. Of course we'll see improvement, but I doubt it would get to the same level as Windows in the next 5 years or so, which is a long time.

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Post by xtracto »

jeffbee wrote: post #76
nrp wrote: post #36

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Phoronix has some power consumption information in their review: https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-laptop-16/8 For Framework Laptop 13 12th Gen, we have an article on optimizing power consumption (this one is written for Ubuntu, but should largely apply to Debian): https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-ubuntu-bat...

Haha and they say Linux is hard to use! What could be simpler?

You are not kidding haha, I saw the article and immediately thought the same. I use a Dell Latitude as my work computer and run it with Linux (Mint). It is a constant struggle between battery life, sleep states (lack of), camera not working, bluetooth not working and whatnot. I still prefer working on Linux than suffering the UX trash that is Windows, but god if there was some paid Linux version that prevented all the necessary tinkering :(
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