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Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#1
Suppose I find an old laptop of mine, from early 2010s, that has not been used since then. I turn it on and it boots Windows XP or 7. Is it dangerous at this point to connect right sway to the Internet? What precautions/steps do I have to do? What if it is from 2000s instead?

Thanks and sorry I had to compress the title

Re: Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#2
XP has Internet Explorer and I tried this in a VM once, and 99% of sites didn't load because they used TLS 1.2/1.3 which IE doesn't have functionality for. But plaintext HTTP sites loaded fine.

I wouldn't use XP as a daily driver if that's what you intend. There's so many exploits that have piled up over the years that getting pwned is inevitable at some stage and the attack surface of XP is massive.

Re: Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#4

XP has Internet Explorer and I tried this in a VM once, and 99% of sites didn't load because they used TLS 1.2/1.3 which IE doesn't have functionality for. But plaintext HTTP sites loaded fine. I wouldn't use XP as a daily driver if that's what you intend. There's so many exploits that have piled up over the years that getting pwned is inevitable at some stage and the attack surface of XP is massive .

Is it safe to just connect to the WiFi and download e.g. Firefox, or it's better to get it using a Flash memory while still offline?

Re: Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#5
I can't shed any light on your question, but I can't help wondering - just out of curiosity - if it could be dangerous for the internet. Suppose there's some replicating worm from years ago on that machine that everyone has forgotten about. My guess is that it wouldn't get far though. Like how if you find some old disease in a cave somewhere, chances are we're all vaccinated against it already.

Re: Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#6
It would be interesting to know how quickly an unprotected computer would succumb to a virus these days. The only sources I found are quite old - from 2005[0] (20 minutes) and 2007[1] (8 seconds!).

[0]https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/computer-security/

[1]https://www.informationweek.com/cyber-resilience/how-long-do...

Re: Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#7
post #5

I can't shed any light on your question, but I can't help wondering - just out of curiosity - if it could be dangerous for the internet. Suppose there's some replicating worm from years ago on that machine that everyone has forgotten about. My guess is that it wouldn't get far though. Like how if you find some old disease in a cave somewhere, chances are we're all vaccinated against it already.

That's an interesting point too.

Re: Ask HN: Is it dangerous to connect a PC that's been off for 10yrs to Internet?

#8
We have a machine running Win7 that's just about that age at home, mostly for the sake of keeping old passion projects that rely on heap behavior being deterministic like some forensics plugins and a half baked try at application checkpointing for Windows- despite that meaning a wider attack surface for Win7 (like LFH buffer overflows or use-after-frees), there aren't that many major threats to be wary of especially if an eye is kept at ProcMon then and now, plus maybe a network packet analysis tool of choice with some rules on (anecdotally, said workstation still sees reckless unprotected use from relatives and it's just fine haha). XP on the other hand needs more precaution and it might be better off kept offline or replaced with a lightweight Linux distro like Lubuntu :)
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