> alternatives to Boeing So, Airbus?
Also Embraer [1].
United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing
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#32Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F'd around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on b…
They didn‘t maximize profits at all. Why do people operate on the principle „if it is bad it had to be because of maximizing profits“? This seems to be much more about corruption and misaligned incentives as well as bigcorp bullshit-job rot. There is really only one thing that can cure this and that is more fierce competition
"Maximizing short-term profits (by cutting costs)" would be more accurate, and yeah, that is a misaligned incentive.
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#33I mean it would be dumb not too, there was no reason to say anything else. Since the company actively runs Airbus planes already it's not even as if there's a barrier to entry there.
Even if they had no intention of cancelling any ongoing orders, it'd be ridiculous to not strive for some compensation with this current Boeing hostile climate.
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#34"Shares of The Boeing Co. fell less than 1%." They are too big to fail. So they will fail together with the entire state. 4 domestic aircraft manufacturers of the 1960s (Lockheed, Douglas, Convair, Boeing) is now one.
Boeing is already down 19% for the month - on news of the latest MAX issues. Investors have already hit the stock hard, and an operator saying they'll think about other options won't move the needle in the face of the REAL news that has already hurt the stock. If United announces they are cancelling their 200 Max 10 and Max 8s on order, then you can expect to see the stock dip further.
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#35"Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus." Is it just me or is every player in the dramatis personae dancing around this and/or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it'…
They have to be extremely careful what they say. Boeing is considered a strategically important business to the U.S. - they supply everything from airliners to bombers to spacecraft to cruise missiles. They also create jobs all over the place - taxpayer dollars are funnelled via the pork barrel to jobs programs. The government cannot allow it to fail, and if Boeing looks bad, the government looks bad. Therefore anyon…
So many claims in here with nothing to back it up. May as well be a Boeing fanfic.
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#36"Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus." Is it just me or is every player in the dramatis personae dancing around this and/or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it'…
They have to be extremely careful what they say. Boeing is considered a strategically important business to the U.S. - they supply everything from airliners to bombers to spacecraft to cruise missiles. They also create jobs all over the place - taxpayer dollars are funnelled via the pork barrel to jobs programs. The government cannot allow it to fail, and if Boeing looks bad, the government looks bad. Therefore anyon…
This will never happen as this would be a slamdunk case for Airbus/European Countries at the WTO against the US government
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#37At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous. I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare mi…
I fly a lot, way more than the average person. I try to avoid the 737-Max, but I'm rather picky about which aircraft I want to fly on.
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#38I didn't mind flying on a 737 Max once they figured out the MCAS stuff, but now I see it's an institutional problem I don't know if I could accept a ticket on a Boeing aircraft manufactured in the past ~10 years.
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#39"Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus." Is it just me or is every player in the dramatis personae dancing around this and/or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it'…
They have to be extremely careful what they say. Boeing is considered a strategically important business to the U.S. - they supply everything from airliners to bombers to spacecraft to cruise missiles. They also create jobs all over the place - taxpayer dollars are funnelled via the pork barrel to jobs programs. The government cannot allow it to fail, and if Boeing looks bad, the government looks bad. Therefore anyon…
Who's going to do anything about it, Joe? Lol.
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#40This kind of enshitification is ultimately an emergent property of public market ownership. You can see the result of a controlled experiment by eating at McDonalds then at In-n-out Burger (one is public, the other private). I'd include PE under the public ownership category, despite the name.