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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nolist_policy »

whalesalad wrote: post #45
motiejus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not alone with both issues. Framework12, i5, NixOS. My milleage is 2.5~3h, but usage is light (vim mainly, often not even a browser). I spent quite some time trying different things to optimize it, but never got more than realistic 3 hours. Happy with other aspects though.

My M2 air will outlast the workday. Obscene battery life. I can’t imagine using a Linux notebook after this level of performance.

Or just get the Framework Chromebook and get the best of both worlds.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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aquova wrote: post #111
stebalien wrote: post #102

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My FW13 AMD laptop (61Wh battery) can last 11hr+, technically. If I'm doing anything other than light web browsing, that quickly drops to 8hr. If I'm watching videos, it's more like 5hr. Unfortunately, at least on Linux, it requires quite a bit of tuning for the moment. But there are some pretty good guides. Suspend battery life still isn't great, but it's _much_ better (with s2idle supported) on the latest-gen AMD p…

This is really interesting to me. I too have an 11th gen Intel machine running Arch, and while I get better battery life than 2 hours, it's still the weakest part of the system, and I very rarely put it to sleep, I just turn the whole machine off. Someday I was planning on upgrading to the AMD motherboard, but didn't really see a reason to do so yet, but this might accelerate my plans.

Yeah, sleep on the 11th gen is basically worthless. But the battery upgrade (especially after a few years of wear and tear) and the new AMD board are worth it.

... unless you watch a lot of video. Hardware video decoding uses more power than software video decoding in many cases: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/10223

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jeffbee wrote: post #76
nrp wrote: post #36

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Phoronix has some power consumption information in their review: https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-laptop-16/8 For Framework Laptop 13 12th Gen, we have an article on optimizing power consumption (this one is written for Ubuntu, but should largely apply to Debian): https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-ubuntu-bat...

Haha and they say Linux is hard to use! What could be simpler?

Or just get the Framework Chromebook which works great out of the box.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by kinow »

jckahn wrote: post #59
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Hello! I’m in FW16 batch 4 and excited to support your product and company. Thanks for driving innovation in this space! I’m holding out for an NVIDIA GPU, or at least some hardware to accelerate running local AI models. Do you have any expansion bay plans for that?

Yeah, me too, waiting for an NVIDIA GPU for Blender (AMD and Intel GPUs perform really badly with Blender)

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

nrp wrote: post #129
thenobsta wrote: post #109

I'll chime in and say that I love my FW13. It's a great machine. I got the DIY kit and had my 7yo put it together. It was straightforward with a little help from dad (even installing Ubuntu!). Now we fight over who gets to use it.

It's awesome to hear that. A big part of creating Framework was the urge to prevent a world where kids could no longer tinker with their parents' computers.

That's wonderful to hear. I attribute my innate love of computers to my father making a mess of the kitchen table while working on the family PC.

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Post by RomanPushkin »

dartharva wrote: post #66
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

Does a current-gen laptop featuring an X201-like keyboard exist? Has such a thing even existed in the last five years?

Yes, through enthusiasts from China. They make their own motherboards and install modern components. There is no warranty though, and you need to wire them funds, there is also no returns. It worked for me though. I have 64GB ram, 2 SSDs 1TB each. It's mostly silent after I configured things in BIOS. The battery life still sucks.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

dabluecaboose wrote: post #118
nrp wrote: post #23

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We actually do have an "English International - Linux" keyboard option that has a Super key instead.

Is that option available for the 13? I've been looking and having trouble finding it.

Not currently, but we are looking at the attach rate on Framework Laptop 16 to inform future Framework Laptop 13 keyboards.
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