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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by aquova »

stebalien wrote: post #102
davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

My FW13 AMD laptop (61Wh battery) can last 11hr+, technically. If I'm doing anything other than light web browsing, that quickly drops to 8hr. If I'm watching videos, it's more like 5hr. Unfortunately, at least on Linux, it requires quite a bit of tuning for the moment. But there are some pretty good guides. Suspend battery life still isn't great, but it's _much_ better (with s2idle supported) on the latest-gen AMD p…

This is really interesting to me. I too have an 11th gen Intel machine running Arch, and while I get better battery life than 2 hours, it's still the weakest part of the system, and I very rarely put it to sleep, I just turn the whole machine off. Someday I was planning on upgrading to the AMD motherboard, but didn't really see a reason to do so yet, but this might accelerate my plans.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by atribecalledqst »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

I have a Framework 16 pre-ordered for batch 11 -- is there a rough estimate of when it might ship? Promising I won't send you a nastygram either if that estimate doesn't hold :)

I didn't keep track of Framework 13s at all so I'm not sure what their shipping cadence was for pre-orders (just for comparison's sake)

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Post by patrec »

rollcat wrote: post #104
leetharris wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have not used a Windows laptop outside of Razer and maybe Surface in many years. How do those Thinkpad keyboards compare to new Macbook Pro keyboards? I've always found the Macbook Pro keyboards to be "fine," but I'm curious if I am actually missing out on a better experience.

> I've always found the Macbook Pro keyboards to be "fine," [...] Have you tried the previous, "butterfly" generation? It should've been criminal to ship that.

Personally, I think the butterfly keyboard is great. Assuming, of course, that you got one that does not suffer mechanical reliability issues. This opinion is hardly universal but seems to be shared by quite a few good typists. I'm typing this on a fancy mechanical keyboard, because I care quite a bit about keyboard quality (and consequently hate most laptop keyboards). So it's not that I just don't know better.

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Post by Filligree »

ctsdownloads wrote: post #69
seabrookmx wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get 3-3.5 under Fedora and the 'Power Saver' gnome power profile, but yeah it's not great.

Make sure you are on the latest PPD - this matters and provides a noticeable improvement. https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mariolimonciello/pow... and you are on at least kernel 6.6.12.

The defaults should work. What’s the point in buying a Linux-branded laptop if they can’t get the basics right?

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Post by gary_0 »

juujian wrote: post #31
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I hope with the new modular keyboard tray we will get some decent option. I would only buy it if there was one with a track point tbh, third party or otherwise.

I dream of having a laptop with a standard tenkeyless layout. If I end up buying a Framework at some point I might build my own TKL keyboard, or pay handsomely to have one custom-built, such is my burning desire to keep my existing muscle-memory.

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Post by dabluecaboose »

nrp wrote: post #23
mortallywounded wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they continue to put a Windows icon on the super key? That alone would prevent me from buying it ;p

We actually do have an "English International - Linux" keyboard option that has a Super key instead.

Is that option available for the 13? I've been looking and having trouble finding it.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by tristan957 »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #72
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Hi - Linux still has spotty fractional scaling support. It would be nice to have a display option that is either usable without fractional scaling (1920x1200) or one that works with 2x scaling (3840x2400).

Linux support will definitely get better within the next year, but yeah this is my biggest pain point. Electron and other XWayland apps look terrible. Is there some environment variable that I can set to launch Electron apps with the correct command line arguments for Wayland?

Edit: Looks like I found what I am looking for: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/api/environment-varia....

Electron apps are still blurry though. Hmm... Also, seems like I need to expose something to Electron apps that are packaged in Flatpak. Needs more research.

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Post by ijhuygft776 »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I never used a laptop keyboard that I liked (I currently have a thinkpad)... probably because I'm used to these old style IBM keyboards with numeric keypad

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71UJ8OXnZjL._AC_SL1500_....

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