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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by rollcat »

dinkleberg wrote: post #87
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

It is unlikely, but I really hope they get an ortholinear keyboard option at some point. There is this thread[1] which has gotten my hopes up. [1] https://community.frame.work/t/ortholinear-keyboard-option/3...

Hopefully not just a simple square grid, but something designed for ergonomics. You don't need to invent a new layout, there's plenty of pretty good designs you can copy, like Corne or Atreus. But at this point I'd take anything - even a narrower space bar (so that you can use your thumbs for modifiers without contorting them) would be a huge improvement.

Even just looking at staggered keyboards hurts my hands.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by stebalien »

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

My FW13 AMD laptop (61Wh battery) can last 11hr+, technically. If I'm doing anything other than light web browsing, that quickly drops to 8hr. If I'm watching videos, it's more like 5hr.

Unfortunately, at least on Linux, it requires quite a bit of tuning for the moment. But there are some pretty good guides.

Suspend battery life still isn't great, but it's _much_ better (with s2idle supported) on the latest-gen AMD platform.

I previously had the 11th gen Intel and... I got much better battery life than you, but it was still pretty bad.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by chris-orgmenta »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Hi there,

Do you think that you will move from batches to continuous production the next few years (I understand this is difficult logistics)? If Frameworks were available with 3 day shipping, then I would be able to recommend them to people more successfully.

Also out of interest, do you mind sharing your stance (and estimates for current and future demand) for touchscreens? Presumably you're estimating low demand for this at moment since it's not a priority. Would be great to see stats on this (since at the moment it's mostly just informal discussion / passing comments in the community/forums)

Thanks in advance. Appreciate everything you've all done.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by rollcat »

leetharris wrote: post #46
RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I have not used a Windows laptop outside of Razer and maybe Surface in many years. How do those Thinkpad keyboards compare to new Macbook Pro keyboards? I've always found the Macbook Pro keyboards to be "fine," but I'm curious if I am actually missing out on a better experience.

> I've always found the Macbook Pro keyboards to be "fine," [...]

Have you tried the previous, "butterfly" generation? It should've been criminal to ship that.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by biehl »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are you considering some quiet NUC-type machines? I have a very nice Starlabs Byte v1, but even more competition for the Mac Mini would be great.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

chris-orgmenta wrote: post #103
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Hi there, Do you think that you will move from batches to continuous production the next few years (I understand this is difficult logistics)? If Frameworks were available with 3 day shipping, then I would be able to recommend them to people more successfully. Also out of interest, do you mind sharing your stance (and estimates for current and future demand) for touchscreens? Presumably you're estimating low demand f…

We're in stock on both Intel and AMD Framework Laptop 13 configurations, and they ship from inventory within a week. We start out each new product under a pre-order system, but then move into normal production and ordering once we fulfill all pre-orders.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

biehl wrote: post #105
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are you considering some quiet NUC-type machines? I have a very nice Starlabs Byte v1, but even more competition for the Mac Mini would be great.

We can't share anything about future product plans, but you can re-purpose a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard to be a small form factor computer: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mainboard-case/fr...

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by ziml77 »

I'm looking forward to mine (batch 13, no clue how long that means I'll be waiting) but I'm a bit disappointed in it based on LTT's review. Needs to be modded with some thermal pads behind the keyboard to cut down on flex. And somehow the screen on their unit is partially obscured by the bezel and has obvious uniformity issues. For the price I expect better and the only reason I'm still going through with the purchase is because I really love the idea of a properly modular laptop. I've been hoping for their success since I first heard of them and I continue to hope they grow and improve.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by thenobsta »

I'll chime in and say that I love my FW13. It's a great machine. I got the DIY kit and had my 7yo put it together. It was straightforward with a little help from dad (even installing Ubuntu!). Now we fight over who gets to use it.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by depressedpanda »

ativzzz wrote: post #74
davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

Yea I got a FW a few years ago and regret it. For just a few hundred $$$ more I could've gotten an M1. The battery situation makes me never use it. Compare to a macbook when I can just close it and open it up weeks later and it just turns on with plenty of charge still left. Every time I need to use the FW i need to plug it in first or charge it if I want to take it somewhere. Defeats the point of a portable computin…

Protip: Make sure hibernation works then enable suspend-then-hibernate in logind.conf
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