Framework Laptop 16 Review • Hacker News Board

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by silon42 » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:22 PM UTC

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

Yeah... I'd want a full height mechanical keyboard myself.

The current offering is missing International English ISO - Linux variant for me.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by alwayslikethis » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:27 PM UTC

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Hi - Linux still has spotty fractional scaling support. It would be nice to have a display option that is either usable without fractional scaling (1920x1200) or one that works with 2x scaling (3840x2400).

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by jcastro » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:27 PM UTC

ctsdownloads wrote: post #69

seabrookmx wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get 3-3.5 under Fedora and the 'Power Saver' gnome power profile, but yeah it's not great.

Make sure you are on the latest PPD - this matters and provides a noticeable improvement. https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mariolimonciello/pow... and you are on at least kernel 6.6.12.

I'm running with this setup and getting at least 5h, I haven't measured it recently but it's definitely makes a difference!

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by ativzzz » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:28 PM UTC

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

Yea I got a FW a few years ago and regret it. For just a few hundred $$$ more I could've gotten an M1.

The battery situation makes me never use it. Compare to a macbook when I can just close it and open it up weeks later and it just turns on with plenty of charge still left.

Every time I need to use the FW i need to plug it in first or charge it if I want to take it somewhere. Defeats the point of a portable computing device

When I travel with it, i need to make sure I shut it down and not just close the lid, or it discharges and cooks my backpack

Everything else is fine though

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by alwayslikethis » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:29 PM UTC

Name_Chawps wrote: post #8

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are you planning to add blank keycaps or colemak/dvorak keycaps?

Out of curiosity, do you really want colemak or dvorak keycaps? As a colemak user myself I found it useful to keep the qwerty keycaps in case I am dropped into an environment when the keyboard layout isn't behaving properly, since I no longer remember them perfectly. In all likelihood when using colemak/dvorak normally you aren't looking at the keycaps anyways.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by jeffbee » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:29 PM UTC

nrp wrote: post #36

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

Phoronix has some power consumption information in their review: https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-laptop-16/8 For Framework Laptop 13 12th Gen, we have an article on optimizing power consumption (this one is written for Ubuntu, but should largely apply to Debian): https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-ubuntu-bat...

Haha and they say Linux is hard to use! What could be simpler?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by einpoklum » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:32 PM UTC

It's useless with this near-zero-height keyboard. Instead of offering us a usable keyboard, they put in RGB lighting.

Unless they offer something we can press with decent key travel - and I mean no less than 2.5 mm - I'm not buying.

(For those who don't know what I mean: https://www.pcworld.com/article/557179/full-travel-keyboard-... )

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by smoldesu » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:32 PM UTC

whalesalad wrote: post #45

motiejus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not alone with both issues. Framework12, i5, NixOS. My milleage is 2.5~3h, but usage is light (vim mainly, often not even a browser). I spent quite some time trying different things to optimize it, but never got more than realistic 3 hours. Happy with other aspects though.

My M2 air will outlast the workday. Obscene battery life. I can’t imagine using a Linux notebook after this level of performance.

As long as you don't use Docker. My last job gave me an M1 Air for container debugging and devops, and it was a comically bad fit for the task. I ended up going back to my cheap x86 Linux host for most of the dirty work, just because it ran cooler.

Now, if someone could find me a native Docker host that lasts all day... then we're in business.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by sourcegrift » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

Are you collaborating with others or assisting others in similar projects in other fields? I've been thinking how rapidly india is industrializing and the middle class is getting rich and considering the difference in my electricity bills in winters and summers ($7, 55 kwh vs $80, 640kwh ), I was hoping there were air conditioners which were more open and user accessible. The goal here might not be preventing wastage of ACs but of having only one AC that could power multiple rooms non concurrently thus minimizing energy waste.