Framework Laptop 16 Review • Hacker News Board

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by juujian » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:00 PM UTC

RomanPushkin wrote: post #7

I wish they deliver good keyboard as well, like Thinkpads X201 or similar have. I am happy owner of modded X201 with updated screen, motherboard, and so on. It's not on a cheap side, but I'm happy to pay that price _only_ for the keyboard option. It's so cool. Folks back then knew what was important.

I hope with the new modular keyboard tray we will get some decent option. I would only buy it if there was one with a track point tbh, third party or otherwise.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by spuz » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

What are your thoughts on the large amount of keyboard flex in the 16" model as reported by LTT and specifically do you have any official recommendations for fixing it maybe something a little more robust than sticking a few thermal pads under the deck?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by motiejus » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

You are not alone with both issues. Framework12, i5, NixOS. My milleage is 2.5~3h, but usage is light (vim mainly, often not even a browser).

I spent quite some time trying different things to optimize it, but never got more than realistic 3 hours.

Happy with other aspects though.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by seabrookmx » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:02 PM UTC

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

I get 3-3.5 under Fedora and the 'Power Saver' gnome power profile, but yeah it's not great.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by ctsdownloads » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:02 PM UTC

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

This AMD config uses s2idle and the battery life very much depends on the usage itself. Ideally, running UMA is going to yield a longer life than say, running from dGPU. For gaming, we have folks using dGPU only as needed. Provides choice.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:02 PM UTC

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

Phoronix has some power consumption information in their review: https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-laptop-16/8

For Framework Laptop 13 12th Gen, we have an article on optimizing power consumption (this one is written for Ubuntu, but should largely apply to Debian): https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-ubuntu-bat...

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by rglullis » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

No questions. Just want to say that I am happy owner of a FW 13 and that my current tech-related dream now is to see the announcement of the framework smartphone. I bought the Fairphone 3 hoping they would keep an easy-to-upgrade form factor, but they completely failed on that front. I think you guys have what it takes to deliver.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by esskay » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

davewood wrote: post #25

how long will it run on battery? my FW13 12th gen (debian) lasts maybe 2 hours and even in suspend mode it drains way to fast (/sys/power/mem_sleep = deep)

OOf thats a tough sell, two hours is pretty pathetic. I can't imagine how any laptop maker can be selling a laptop in 2024 with anything shorter than 8 hours and keep a straight face.

This surely has to be a software issue, I can't imagine they'd have been silly enough to fit such a tiny battery!

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:06 PM UTC

spuz wrote: post #32

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

What are your thoughts on the large amount of keyboard flex in the 16" model as reported by LTT and specifically do you have any official recommendations for fixing it maybe something a little more robust than sticking a few thermal pads under the deck?

We saw the feedback and our mechanical team is digging into it.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 4:08 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #21

nrp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Expansion Cards are cross-compatible (as are memory [if you have DDR5] and storage), but the other modules are unique to Framework Laptop 13 vs Framework Laptop 16. We did that to be able to fully optimize for each form factor.

How many form factors are you planning on having?

We can't share anything about future product plans, but in general, as few as possible. We want to avoid splitting out into too many different ecosystems of parts, and instead maximize the size of the install base within a cross-compatible ecosystem.