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Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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Just because a measuring device is not standards referenced does not mean it can not be used to measure. If I need a peg to match the size of a drill bit, any collection of 12 holes is likely to have one the size of the drill bit that lets me tell my peg maker to "make the pegs this size." Handymen are just cussed enough* to not label any of them, and to expect the FNG (new guy) to remember which of the 12 unlabeled…

This was indeed, cussed knowledge.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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post #24

A theory I saw recently suggested that they may have been used to hold candles, as night lights (could still have had some religious or ritual component too). The holes all being different diameters would then relate to different sized candles being needed to last all night, for longer and shorter nights at different times of the year. The twelve faces presumably corresponding to 12 months on the Julian calendar, whi…

is CE the same as AD?

CE means “common era” which refers to the same time period that AD does, which stands for Anno Domini and means “the year of our lord,” which is rooted in the Christian faith.

You will also see “BCE” and it means Before Common Era, which replaces BC, which means “Before Christ”.

The newer terms are more inclusive.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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post #24

A theory I saw recently suggested that they may have been used to hold candles, as night lights (could still have had some religious or ritual component too). The holes all being different diameters would then relate to different sized candles being needed to last all night, for longer and shorter nights at different times of the year. The twelve faces presumably corresponding to 12 months on the Julian calendar, whi…

is CE the same as AD?

Yes. "Common Era" instead of "Anno Domini". More religiously neutral.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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post #24

A theory I saw recently suggested that they may have been used to hold candles, as night lights (could still have had some religious or ritual component too). The holes all being different diameters would then relate to different sized candles being needed to last all night, for longer and shorter nights at different times of the year. The twelve faces presumably corresponding to 12 months on the Julian calendar, whi…

is CE the same as AD?

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Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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post #10

I like the theory that it's an examination piece to qualify as a master metalworker. Casting a flawless dodecahedron could have been a way to demonstrate your skill. The shape is somewhat arbitrary: anything that's both difficult to cast and easy to examine for quality would work, but once people started making dodecahedrons that's what people expected and it became a kind of standard.

Interesting idea. I wonder if when comparing all 100 there’s indicators that each are effectively unique in their manufacturing.

I wonder if you could correlate where they're found to places with high quality forge/smithing operations

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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> A huge amount of time, energy and skill was taken to create our dodecahedron, so it was not used for mundane purposes

That's the idea! Being difficult to make increases its value, it doesn't need to have a special purpose, it could be just a desk toy, a sort of mental puzzle, a showcase object of their current technology.

Re: Another Roman dodecahedron has been unearthed in England

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post #10

I like the theory that it's an examination piece to qualify as a master metalworker. Casting a flawless dodecahedron could have been a way to demonstrate your skill. The shape is somewhat arbitrary: anything that's both difficult to cast and easy to examine for quality would work, but once people started making dodecahedrons that's what people expected and it became a kind of standard.

That theory works for me. Making a wooden hammer is a typical first project for the hand-tool woodworker — so perhaps the metal smith had a similar hello world.

My first thought was that the thing was some kind of "hub" for ropes used perhaps in some tent design. I was imagining rope loops passing through the holes and then looped over a stud on the other side. But the article says there are no signs of wear and so not a tool.

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