Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

bbc.co.uk

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 221 posts

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#101

Post by baddox »

kaolinite wrote: post #90
baddox wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: should be illegal Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

Copyright infringement should and must be illegal but it also must be put into perspective. Using copyright infringement to justify censorship, deportation of citizens, multi-million-dollar fines and lifetime prison sentences - that's a symptom of a broken judicial system and governments with bad priorities / corruption. Downloading films + music for personal use? Should get warnings and eventually a small fine if th…

I disagree with all of your statements.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#102

Post by tomp »

kaolinite wrote: post #90
baddox wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: should be illegal Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

Copyright infringement should and must be illegal but it also must be put into perspective. Using copyright infringement to justify censorship, deportation of citizens, multi-million-dollar fines and lifetime prison sentences - that's a symptom of a broken judicial system and governments with bad priorities / corruption. Downloading films + music for personal use? Should get warnings and eventually a small fine if th…

I disagree with such punishment system. If a society deems something indesirable, it should be punished very harshly. Or not at all, if it's desirable.

I personally, along with a significant portion of the society (and the majority of youth) view copyright infringement for personal use desirable, but copyright infringement for profit undesirable. I would not punish the first at all, while the second should bear the fine of, say, 20% of yearly profits of the company (punishment for the owners), + jail time for the responsible persons (e.g. the president/CEO, or a lower employee if they are proven responsible).

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#104

Post by andyakb »

MattBearman wrote: post #17

The ruling is mostly full of shit: Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists I'd like to see evidence to back this up, innocent until proven guilty and all. The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale No, it doesn't. TPB doesn't provide any content at all. Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine I…

Their earnings have likely increased recently, but with their switch to magnet links, they have to have saved an obscene amount of money in terms of bandwidth costs, so their costs have likely gone down significantly. However, the point still stands that, yea, nobody is getting rich off of this, but there is likely a decent amount of profit being made.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#105

Post by [deleted] »

kaolinite wrote: post #90
baddox wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: should be illegal Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

Copyright infringement should and must be illegal but it also must be put into perspective. Using copyright infringement to justify censorship, deportation of citizens, multi-million-dollar fines and lifetime prison sentences - that's a symptom of a broken judicial system and governments with bad priorities / corruption. Downloading films + music for personal use? Should get warnings and eventually a small fine if th…

[deleted]

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#107

Post by andr3w321 »

I hate the whole ethical argument when it comes to copyright infringement. The fact is an unenforceable law is pointless and should not be law. I don't know what the solution is -- and I wish people would spend more time debating and talking about a workable solution rather than complaining, but blocking sites that link or illegally host copyrighted content will not solve a thing. Remember when illegal music downloads stopped after napster got shutdown? Oh wait, a hundred more files sharing clients just took it's place.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#108

Post by naich »

seabee wrote: post #7
TamDenholm wrote: post #2

Does anyone know when this comes into effect? Also, does it only affect the ISP's mentioned in the article or ALL ISP's? Guess i'll just have to use a TPB mirror from now on then...

Or VPN through a server located outside the UK. As far as I know this is dealt with on a case-by-case basis (i.e. just these ISPs and just TPB) because it's a civil matter - the govt would need to make a new law to force all ISPs to block The Pirate Bay and similar websites.

Or a VPN within the UK, as long as it's not one of the ISPs mentioned here.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#109

Post by weavejester »

fredley wrote: post #73
salvadors wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nice slogan, but it doesn't match the UK law. Linking can be a crime.

Either it is or it isn't. If it is, a lot of search engines are in big trouble. Google links to almost every piece of illegal content on the web. You also have to think carefully about what a link is. Is a magnet link - essentially a hash of the content itself - a link? If so is posting the checksum of a piece of software copyright violation?

Unfortunately the law isn't so black and white, and depends a lot upon intent. Thinking about the technicalities isn't so important; what matters to the court is whether the individuals involved intended to commit a crime.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

#110

Post by horsehead »

What the hell? Aren't there more important things out there to tackle than copyright infringement? Sure it's illegal. But there is a massive campaign against pirates, but seriously -- surely there are bigger problems than this to tackle ....

edit: also, i love this quote "We should keep blocking them - they are stealing music illegally."

it's clearly ok to steal music legally. Just as long as you're not stealing it in ways the authorities deem appropriate.

Post reply on HN