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Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, in Sweden the taxes are also insane. I’d rather have to pay some middleman a paltry sum every year than pay 30% more tax just for the privilege of the government automatically calculating them for me. Not saying the US shouldn’t do this automatically, I’m merely pointing out it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison.

If you include healthcare, daycare, state pensions, disability insurance, employment insurance etc as a tax (which it is in most cases with more tax) the "insane" amount isn't that insane anymore.

If you make $250k/yr+ in the US all of those problems melt away due to the availability of disposable income.

In the EU you top out at €100-150k.

I say this from experience as a European who's lived on both continents.

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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Any recommendations on how to really file taxes for free (federal and state)?

If your income is below $79,000 a year, this is the correct link: https://apps.irs.gov/app/freeFile/browse-all-offers/

It has been remarkably absent in this thread.

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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I just saw an TurboTax Ad where a guy was like "I Like free stuff" and then it said he was "happy to read the disclaimer" on TurboTax and see that "Roughly 37% of taxpayers qualify" which he looks thoughtfully in the distance and says "Thats me!" I thought it was a funny commercial because 37% doesn't seem like a lot and Turbotax is portraying it as the average person will identify themselves as part of that 37% even…

I agree on every level, but I'm compelled to remind you this is the America where wendy's (?) had to revert to a 1/4 pounder from a 1/3 pounder bc people thought they were getting less meat. And let's not forget the ever-present anti-education cohort that can't be convinced math is good even when you tell them it's how you calculate discounts or tips.

  VINCENT: And in Paris, you can buy a beer at McDonald's. And you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?

  JULES: They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

  VINCENT: No, they got the metric system there, they wouldn't know what the f*** a Quarter Pounder is.

  JULES: Then what do they call it?

  VINCENT: They call it Royale with Cheese.

  JULES: Royale with Cheese. What do they call a Big Mac?

  VINCENT: Big Mac's a Big Mac, but they call it Le Big Mac.
Aside: a lot of tax preparation services, or their services that let you upload your data - the privacy policy says they can all "use" your financial info.

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on every level, but I'm compelled to remind you this is the America where wendy's (?) had to revert to a 1/4 pounder from a 1/3 pounder bc people thought they were getting less meat. And let's not forget the ever-present anti-education cohort that can't be convinced math is good even when you tell them it's how you calculate discounts or tips.

VINCENT: And in Paris, you can buy a beer at McDonald's. And you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris? JULES: They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese? VINCENT: No, they got the metric system there, they wouldn't know what the f*** a Quarter Pounder is. JULES: Then what do they call it? VINCENT: They call it Royale with Cheese. JULES: Royale with Cheese. What do they call a Big Mac? VINC…

Personally I prefer Big Kahuna Burger

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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Free government-provided tax calculators and online filing are an existential threat to Intuit. I think that the business should not exist (or should be scaled down to a fraction of its size, as an accountant's tool), but can you blame them for trying to block the deathblow?

Sure. How much don't you blame the rat whose claws are embedded in your hand as you try to throw it in the river?

I am quite sure it could swim so I would think it was ungrateful for me being so kind to it.

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you include healthcare, daycare, state pensions, disability insurance, employment insurance etc as a tax (which it is in most cases with more tax) the "insane" amount isn't that insane anymore.

If you make $250k/yr+ in the US all of those problems melt away due to the availability of disposable income. In the EU you top out at €100-150k. I say this from experience as a European who's lived on both continents.

Not everyone makes that kind of money :(.

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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In Sweden, for most citizen the tax authority does the tax declaration for you. If you don't want to do any changes (which most people doesn't have to), you simply write a text to them [1]. [1] https://skatteverket.se/servicelankar/otherlanguages/inengli...

To be fair, in Sweden the taxes are also insane. I’d rather have to pay some middleman a paltry sum every year than pay 30% more tax just for the privilege of the government automatically calculating them for me. Not saying the US shouldn’t do this automatically, I’m merely pointing out it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison.

More or les insane that say, the cost of private health and private education in the US ?

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you include healthcare, daycare, state pensions, disability insurance, employment insurance etc as a tax (which it is in most cases with more tax) the "insane" amount isn't that insane anymore.

If you make $250k/yr+ in the US all of those problems melt away due to the availability of disposable income. In the EU you top out at €100-150k. I say this from experience as a European who's lived on both continents.

But this also depends almost entirely on where you live. €100k in the almost any city in Netherlands, France, or Germany is a great income that can support a family with one earner. $250k might only put you in "solidly" middle class if you have to live in SF or NYC. The difference is that the $250k salaries are 99% of the time only widely available in these extreme HCOL cities.

Healthcare for a family of 4 in some parts of the US is absolutely fucking bananas compared to most of Europe. I've seen monthly premiums of $2k+ after the employers part, not to mention the deductible!

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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It is generally a good thing for folks who live paycheck to paycheck. Higher withholding forces more budgeting, and then they get a big paycheck once a year to pay off whatever

If they were budgeting, they wouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck. It makes the budgeting more challenging to give the government and interest free loan. However, giving the government an automatic loan means that a land lord cannot charge that much more in rent, and the owner does get to spend it eventually, rather than throwing it into a rent pit

If they were budgeting, they wouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck.

This is false. You simply aren't going to be able to budget your way into riches if you don't have enough money to go around. If you don't believe me, limit yourself to a minimum wage budget with no startup savings (and no borrowing off of others) and tell me how you are doing in a year... and then tell me how you'd survive the next few years on this. If minimum wage is too little, try setting the income at just over the mark you'd have for assistance.

Alternatively, if you have enough money to cover reasonable expenses, some fun, and have a little leftover, you don't really have to budget if you don't tend to spend lots. If I have enough money, I don't really have to budget.

Re: FTC bans TurboTax from advertising 'free' services, calls deceptive advertising

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post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you make $250k/yr+ in the US all of those problems melt away due to the availability of disposable income. In the EU you top out at €100-150k. I say this from experience as a European who's lived on both continents.

Not everyone makes that kind of money :(.

Absolutely true and a valid point, I’m just trying to add some nuance to the conversation. I’ve noticed the North American heavy online bubbles fetishizing Europe in that regard, and the reality is far more grim.
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