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AI is destabilizing 'the concept of truth itself' in 2024 election

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Re: AI is destabilizing 'the concept of truth itself' in 2024 election

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Didn't we hear about the "post-truth world" maybe six or so years ago?

The Catholic Church has condemned Modernism since the beginning of the 20th century, including by Pope St. Pius X.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10415a.htm

Pontius Pilate asked the rhetorical question, "What Is Truth?" as Truth Himself stood before him on trial.

Re: AI is destabilizing 'the concept of truth itself' in 2024 election

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Democratizing the concept of truth as stories based on facts, alternate facts and user generated content sounds great.

As Individuals of a content derived species we can now backup our bubbles on the internet with ease.

Can that be conveniencemated?

Where is the uMatrix Original SaaS that takes my chromegmailfacebookX data and publishes the truth I want to live in to my localhost?

Re: AI is destabilizing 'the concept of truth itself' in 2024 election

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The concept of truth has always been fuzzy when it comes to politics. When was there are stable time for the concept of truth in politics? The entire political system of ads, media, speeches, etc are full of misrepresentations, outright lies or lies by omission. I guess washingtonpost is upset because historically it was the job of washingtonpost, foxnews, msnbc, nytimes, etc to destabilize the concept of truth. But…

Politicians fly close to the flame and we don't hold them to account. They will say something truly awful and when something bad happens or there is fall out, claim that they didn't expect anyone to take them literally.

Re: AI is destabilizing 'the concept of truth itself' in 2024 election

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The idea of truth based on recorded media is a boat that sailed away long long ago. People are very used to being deceived by advertising in general and political media especially. The article mentions certain politicians dismissing any media critical of them as AI deepfakes, a claim the article then instantly fact-checks (without irony). Denial and lies are not new in any sense. Fake media is not new, and analog fak…

If you’re struggling to imagine AI having a significant and measurable impact, then I think you’re failing account how many people, who are not extremely gullible, are influenced simply by repetitive narratives and group think. AI will simply accelerate the creation of already effective targeted propaganda.

> I think you’re failing account how many people, who are not extremely gullible, are influenced simply by repetitive narratives and group think.

Like all those people who work for money, to buy things; repeat, repeat.

Take away human language and its hallucinated meaning and we’re just meat based cassette tapes repeating yesterdays application of agency; output complete sentences, feel validated by the dopamine buzz for engaging in anything, eat, shit, go to bed.

A whole lot of daily life is just repeating yourself. Office jobs are “capitulate to group think”. Society requires a whole lot of capitulate to group think; everyone needs a tribe and finds one in the end.

Only people working directly on infrastructure, health, and tech breakthroughs are moving the needle and even then in small repetitive steps.

If you think you’re above that altogether then you’re the one chanting propaganda. Given the complexity of the universe, no center, you have no idea if you’re moving anything forward or backward; you can’t even point in the direction “forward”. Make more 1900s technology and software? Repeat. yawn

Time to repeat sleep. Good night.

Re: AI is destabilizing 'the concept of truth itself' in 2024 election

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post #19

The idea of truth based on recorded media is a boat that sailed away long long ago. People are very used to being deceived by advertising in general and political media especially. The article mentions certain politicians dismissing any media critical of them as AI deepfakes, a claim the article then instantly fact-checks (without irony). Denial and lies are not new in any sense. Fake media is not new, and analog fak…

> The idea of truth based on recorded media is a boat that sailed away long long ago. And if it was ever here, it was only here for the blink of an eye, relatively speaking. Almost all of human history took place before recorded media was invented.

You can read old George Orwell essays about his experience with the media in the Spanish Civil War that sound like they could have been written yesterday. He talks about how he felt the media was entering some sort of post truth era even then from the blatant lies and total split in reality the newspapers would have amongst themselves
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