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Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by coffeebeqn »

silisili wrote: post #98
uudecoded wrote: post #89

Has anyone noticed that there are now 78 comments on this post and no Rioters checking in? Have I missed something? On any HN corporate layoff post, we should expect some volume of named company FTEs or impacted folks commenting. There seems to be a pattern here that has been ebbing and flowing over the last few years. Should this be a titled phenomenon/effect? I see at least 3 options here: 1) Named company employee…

I always assumed, perhaps naively, that gamedev folks skewed younger on the whole due to work life balance and burnout, whereas this site skews a bit older. Maybe just a demographic mismatch?

Most software engineers I know in games go to HN. I used to work in games and always read it

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by MaxHoppersGhost »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #50
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone overhired the last 3 years thinking the good times were forever. They’re probably overloaded with roles they don’t need anymore and have needs in other places so it really doesn’t make sense to keep folks.

> Everyone overhired the last 3 years thinking the good times were forever. It's very convenient that this isn't measurable and if you asked anyone in the industry at the time they most likely would have said "We don't have nearly enough" people.

That’s how overhiring occurs a lot of the time.

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by nox101 »

BadHumans wrote: post #44
joshuamcginnis wrote: post #15

Minimum six months severance pay + healthcare + cash bonus. That is incredibly generous all things considered.

I got laid off from a gaming company and my severance was pitiful and amounted to 1 month of rent. I think this is a fantastic severance

Did you look into unemployment benefits? I've never done this but I had acquaintances who looked forward to getting laid off because they'd get unemployment payments from the government for up to 6 months so they saw it as vacation. All they had to do was lie about looking for a job. This was quite a while ago so things might have changed.

PS: not saying you shouldn't have gotten a better severance package.

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by goalonetwo »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #71
goalonetwo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the intrusive question but if you make software engineer level salary how is it that you don't have multiple months/years saved to mitigate for those possible layoffs? Or did we all fall for the lifestyle inflation trap that comes with high salaries? I'm probably a pessimist/realist but I have always lived way below my income and saved as much as possible because it really feels like the cash cow that softw…

I have 3 kids. My grocery bill alone is 2.5k/month.

How are the people making 65k as a household (median income per household in my state) managing this? I don't even understand how 2.5k$ grocery per month is possible. We are 3 in our households (young kid) and probably spending closer to 1k$ per month groceries and eating super healthy/organic.

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by goalonetwo »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #86
goalonetwo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the intrusive question but if you make software engineer level salary how is it that you don't have multiple months/years saved to mitigate for those possible layoffs? Or did we all fall for the lifestyle inflation trap that comes with high salaries? I'm probably a pessimist/realist but I have always lived way below my income and saved as much as possible because it really feels like the cash cow that softw…

1. I'm not a software engineer, and don't live in or near the valley. 2. I'm married and I have two kids. It's amazing how fast multiple years of saving disappear when you have daycare. Just to give you an idea of what childcare looks like: It's a very reasonable question whether we should pay for childcare, or hire a full-time staff member for the household to watch the kids: The price is about the same.

Yeah I get it. It's not easy. As a rule of thumb we are still aiming to live with 70% of our household income even with a kid so to mitigate for one of us being laid-off unexpectedly.

I guess it is a trade-off. We could live slightly better in a bigger house but I don't want to stress and be in a tough spot if one of us lose their job. That mental sanity is worth 30% of our income to me.

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by advael »

nox101 wrote: post #103
BadHumans wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got laid off from a gaming company and my severance was pitiful and amounted to 1 month of rent. I think this is a fantastic severance

Did you look into unemployment benefits? I've never done this but I had acquaintances who looked forward to getting laid off because they'd get unemployment payments from the government for up to 6 months so they saw it as vacation. All they had to do was lie about looking for a job. This was quite a while ago so things might have changed. PS: not saying you shouldn't have gotten a better severance package.

Unemployment never pays your full salary, and how much it even scales with your salary caps at a number much lower than is relevant for about the top 75% of software engineers in most states. Assuming you're not straight up lying, then the people you talked to likely derived considerable security from their savings and future job prospects, or possibly even other exogenous factors such as supportive families or income-earning partners rather than unemployment benefits alone

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by whateveracct »

uudecoded wrote: post #89

Has anyone noticed that there are now 78 comments on this post and no Rioters checking in? Have I missed something? On any HN corporate layoff post, we should expect some volume of named company FTEs or impacted folks commenting. There seems to be a pattern here that has been ebbing and flowing over the last few years. Should this be a titled phenomenon/effect? I see at least 3 options here: 1) Named company employee…

(2) feels most likely - there's probably something in the severance package about it. I know I've seen that before.

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by whateveracct »

bragr wrote: post #59
mlhpdx wrote: post #52

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Can you explain? Unemployment is still very, very low and there are hundreds of thousand of open positions out there. Not sure about game companies, hence my asking.

Not just gaming. Tech companies have been shedding jobs like crazy and slashing hiring. Pretty much every day there is news of some company slashing hundreds or thousand of jobs. Anecdotally, its not unusual to take 6 months to find a new job at only 2/3rd the previous salary.

Tech companies are definitely still hiring too though. My company is and I have no shortage of recruiter LinkedIn mail with leads should I need or want to find another job.

Re: Changes at Riot Games and the road ahead

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Post by goalonetwo »

whateveracct wrote: post #108
uudecoded wrote: post #89

Has anyone noticed that there are now 78 comments on this post and no Rioters checking in? Have I missed something? On any HN corporate layoff post, we should expect some volume of named company FTEs or impacted folks commenting. There seems to be a pattern here that has been ebbing and flowing over the last few years. Should this be a titled phenomenon/effect? I see at least 3 options here: 1) Named company employee…

(2) feels most likely - there's probably something in the severance package about it. I know I've seen that before.

What are the chances that a company figures out which employee is posting on HN? Especially if they use a throwaway as is usually the case?
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