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Re: Losing my son

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I'm sorry my comment landed that harshly. It certainly wasn't what I wanted. I was hoping to come back and give a more detailed explanation but there just hasn't been time.

I don't really care about your comment. It's your actions that landed harshly. If someone is to do such poor actions, I weigh their comment as low automatically.

I'm not sure what action I took besides commenting?

It would be nice to find a way out of this tangle, but I'm not sure I know how to do that. However, I'd like to try.

The reason I posted my original reply to you (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39045053) is that when someone is suffering and a person tells them what they "should" do, it tends to come across as unhelpful. For example, if someone is suffering from insomnia and I tell them they should just get a good night's sleep, that can easily come across as glib. Or if someone is suffering from anxiety and I tell them they should just breathe more deeply, or do yoga, or whatever it may be—even though those things may well be helpful in some cases, responding this way comes across as taking a superior position toward the other person. It is as if I am saying: I've been through all this and I know what the solution is and now that I tell it to you, you have no further reason to suffer.

This is unhelpful for two reasons: one is that when people are suffering, what they need most from others is not advice, but connection. There needs first to be a felt sense of human contact, like the other person cares about being with them in their pain. If you jump straight to offering advice, that skips the essential step and feels disconnecting rather than connecting.

The other reason is that when it comes to deep human challenges like trauma, each person's experience is unique and what works for one doesn't always apply to another. If I find something that works for me, it doesn't necessarily generalize to everyone else. Maybe in some cases there's overlap and I can share helpful information about my own path; but maybe not. It's necessary to tread delicately, because advice can be useful if it actually fits the other person's experience, but it can also be hurtful if it doesn't.

I have no idea if sharing this will make things better or worse—probably worse, to judge by my track record so far!—but my hope is that it's clarifying.

Re: Losing my son

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post #431

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I don't really care about your comment. It's your actions that landed harshly. If someone is to do such poor actions, I weigh their comment as low automatically.

I'm not sure what action I took besides commenting? It would be nice to find a way out of this tangle, but I'm not sure I know how to do that. However, I'd like to try. The reason I posted my original reply to you ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39045053 ) is that when someone is suffering and a person tells them what they "should" do, it tends to come across as unhelpful. For example, if someone is suffering…

You claimed that I was breaking the rules. I was not. You abused your powers, or maybe helping people really is against the rules...

Not interested in whatever poor explanation you want to hand wave away actual support from real trauma victims towards other trauma victims.

I didn't read the rest sorry.

Re: Losing my son

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> Find some things in your life to be grateful for and dwell on them, it is impossible to feel sorrow and gratitude at the same time. Any advice on how to do this one. Recently I have been Noticing how no matter how many Good things I do in a year once they’re over they don’t really bring positive feelings the same way that the bad things pop up and make them selves dwelled upon.

I hope this doesn't sound overly simplistic, but it has changed my life. I have struggled with anxiety and depression for most of my life. A couple of years ago, a therapist said, "Have you tried thinking of something else?" when I was explaining running through anxiety-inducing scenarios in my head. So now when something that causes anxiety or dread starts to show up in my head, I immediately say "I don't want to th…

In theravada buddhism, this is called applying the faculty of wise attention. We have zero control over our thoughts, but we have control over the object of our attention (and it improves with practice).

When unpleasant thoughts arise, the (canonical Buddhist) strategy is to move your attention to something (anything!) else.

Using mantra (prayer) or force of will ("I close my attention to this thought") are both applications of the technique.

Re: Losing my son

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Can I send you a book? My email is on my website in my bio but I cannot find a way to contact you to ask.

FWIW, in case you haven't got it from somewhere else or noticed here, he says in several places that his email is lars dot doucet at gmail dot com . Sorry if it's presumptious to jump in in your place Lars, undskyld, but I'm going on the premise that you just missed this question. Good luck Nerdhead; all the best Larsius.

Thank you,

Sent an email.

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