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Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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Technically the goal of enabling IPv6 can be done through Cloudflare as well, which they enabled a few days ago. I wonder why they turned it off and are back to directly serving traffic.

They put it behind CF specifically in response to a DOS attack [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38939559

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #36

Does ipv6 result in higher latencies? I could see larger addresses increasing latency, but then again I could also see a more efficient protocol resulting in lower net latency. I should probably read a book describing the differences.

The address space has very little effect in the real world. Other latencies far outweigh anything measurable by having slightly more bits in the address.

Eg: Sometimes IPv6 is faster due to routing differences.

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #36

Does ipv6 result in higher latencies? I could see larger addresses increasing latency, but then again I could also see a more efficient protocol resulting in lower net latency. I should probably read a book describing the differences.

It could but there have been some reports of lower latency, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7s25FSK0U

This is an area you want to measure carefully because some of the older reports about IPv6 being slower were artifacts of old hardware limitations or under-optimized software which are no longer relevant.

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #36

Does ipv6 result in higher latencies? I could see larger addresses increasing latency, but then again I could also see a more efficient protocol resulting in lower net latency. I should probably read a book describing the differences.

>I could see larger addresses increasing latency

???

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #36

Does ipv6 result in higher latencies? I could see larger addresses increasing latency, but then again I could also see a more efficient protocol resulting in lower net latency. I should probably read a book describing the differences.

The address space has very little effect in the real world. Other latencies far outweigh anything measurable by having slightly more bits in the address. Eg: Sometimes IPv6 is faster due to routing differences.

That makes sense. I'm very curious about real-world studies. As a gamer, I'm especially interested in the affect ipv6 has on UDP for real time gaming applications. That's an area where even 5ms can have an enormous affect on the experience.

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

#47

As someone who grew up on IPv4, i will miss it, but the leap to 340 undecillion unique addresses is exciting in many ways so i think i can learn to live with this transition. If we ever need more than that, i can't even imagine what that future would look like.

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Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #36

Does ipv6 result in higher latencies? I could see larger addresses increasing latency, but then again I could also see a more efficient protocol resulting in lower net latency. I should probably read a book describing the differences.

>I could see larger addresses increasing latency ???

Several additional bytes over millions of packets where the data frame is ~10bytes seems potentially significant. I'm less interested in HTTP

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #31

As someone who grew up on IPv4, i will miss it, but the leap to 340 undecillion unique addresses is exciting in many ways so i think i can learn to live with this transition. If we ever need more than that, i can't even imagine what that future would look like.

The last time I looked into this (which was a few years ago), ISPs were allocating blocks containing billions of IPv6 addresses to anyone who paid a nominal sum. So that vast address space might not last as long as it would seem...

One of the features of IPv6 is address autoconfiguration, obviating the need for a central authority like DHCP on v4.

However, that only works with a /64 prefix and given that larger sites might want to have multiple subnets, that’s why most assignments are /56 or /48.

But still. If all assignments were /48s, that would still leave room for 281 trillion networks which even I believe is enough for the foreseeable future.

If the number space is so big, it makes sense to take advantage of it if that allows for other additional features (like SLAAC)

Re: Tell HN: Hacker News now supports IPv6

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post #49
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I looked into this (which was a few years ago), ISPs were allocating blocks containing billions of IPv6 addresses to anyone who paid a nominal sum. So that vast address space might not last as long as it would seem...

One of the features of IPv6 is address autoconfiguration, obviating the need for a central authority like DHCP on v4. However, that only works with a /64 prefix and given that larger sites might want to have multiple subnets, that’s why most assignments are /56 or /48. But still. If all assignments were /48s, that would still leave room for 281 trillion networks which even I believe is enough for the foreseeable futu…

> However, that only works with a /64 prefix

Well it should be redesigned so it works all the way down to individual addresses.

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