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High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by Cushman »

benologist wrote: post #45
VMG wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're a private company For-Profit?

How do you not profit off BILLIONS of ad impressions a month? I can understand some other website believing TPB's a penniless, selfless endeavor but people here should be able to translate "top 100 website" and "multiple ads per page" into more than just operating expenses. It's not like they're YouTube serving terabytes of traffic a second, they also have no support, no shipping, and of course they sure don't have a…

By serving BILLIONS of pages a month, presumably.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by fromhet »

benologist wrote: post #45
VMG wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're a private company For-Profit?

How do you not profit off BILLIONS of ad impressions a month? I can understand some other website believing TPB's a penniless, selfless endeavor but people here should be able to translate "top 100 website" and "multiple ads per page" into more than just operating expenses. It's not like they're YouTube serving terabytes of traffic a second, they also have no support, no shipping, and of course they sure don't have a…

Especially since they don't even have to host any big amounts of data, neither transmit it. Only have lots of links.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by fromhet »

Tim-Boss wrote: post #14

Within minutes of any major ISP implementing a "block" a few thousand people will post on facebook/twitter/blogs and websites links to the plethora of proxies/TOR tunnels/Open DNS settings and VPN's that will instantly negate any ISP level "block" (sarcastic quotes intentional). This will cost british ISP's hundreds of thousands or millions of pounds to implement and manage, and will at best only delay any would-be k…

Also: any of the hundreds of other torrent sites.

Or secure file sharing protocols as oneswarm and such.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by baddox »

citricsquid wrote: post #43
corin_ wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is not with censorship, it's with what they are censoring. Very few people here would take issue with this court order if it was about a site that exclusively hosted child porn. Therefore yes, the context of "is what TBP does illegal?" To extend your (frankly poor) metaphor, he wouldn't be a drug dealer if all he did was hold up a sign pointing you towards your nearest drug dealers and he never actually gav…

Child pornography: illegal Copyright infringement: illegal censoring child porn websites: right, censoring copyright infringement website: wrong. Not sure I understand the difference? Either you're for censorship of websites, or you're against it, you can't pick and choose.

Child pornography: should be illegal

Copyright infringement: should not be illegal

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by rmc »

corin_ wrote: post #39
citricsquid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it doesn't. TPB doesn't provide any content at all. Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine Inch Nails recent releases have been legally made available over bittorrent in 24/96 high quality. And my drug dealer gave $50 to a pregnant woman so that she could get a taxi to the hospital. If you want to argue why this ruling is wrong you should address the iss…

The issue is not with censorship, it's with what they are censoring. Very few people here would take issue with this court order if it was about a site that exclusively hosted child porn. Therefore yes, the context of "is what TBP does illegal?" To extend your (frankly poor) metaphor, he wouldn't be a drug dealer if all he did was hold up a sign pointing you towards your nearest drug dealers and he never actually gav…

Very few people here would take issue with this court order if it was about a site that exclusively hosted child porn

Yes, you're right. I have no problem with censoring child porn. However I have a problem censoring the Pirate Bay.

The response of the courts should be proportionate and based on reason and facts. We shouldn't censor any website that dedicated to explaining how to litter (which is also a crime). We don't give the same prison sentance or the same fine to all crimes. Our courts have a long history of different crimes requireing different responses.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by drucken »

alexchamberlain wrote: post #26
MattBearman wrote: post #17

The ruling is mostly full of shit: Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists I'd like to see evidence to back this up, innocent until proven guilty and all. The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale No, it doesn't. TPB doesn't provide any content at all. Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine I…

The government and the judiciary are independent.

Only in the sense of execution/implementation.

In the UK system, without a written/arms-length constitution, the judiciary is manipulated or beholden to any newly created laws of the land, especially in civil matters.

If there are no protections in law, especially rushed laws, there is little the judiciary can do to defend or even argue one interest versus another.

This is surprisingly common, particularly in matters of sovereignty, security or trade (new trade of course being in "intellectual property"). Recent examples include the slew of UK-US extraditions on non-actionable behaviour in the UK.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by anamax »

alexchamberlain wrote: post #26
MattBearman wrote: post #17

The ruling is mostly full of shit: Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists I'd like to see evidence to back this up, innocent until proven guilty and all. The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale No, it doesn't. TPB doesn't provide any content at all. Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine I…

The government and the judiciary are independent.

> The government and the judiciary are independent.

In many ways and at many times, yes, but ....

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by fromhet »

anons2011 wrote: post #3

Are we trying to emulate China or Iran? Obviously a block like this for any tech-savvy person is absolutely meaningless.

Would it be ok to stop a newspaper printing and qr-links to copyrighted material illegally?

Is it all right to cencor child pornography on the internet? If it's ok to cencor one illegal thing, why not another?

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