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High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by fredley »

drucken wrote: post #37
dafunnie wrote: post #25

Didn't they try to block porn sites last year? David Cameron ostensibly proclaimed that 'porn sites corrupt the British nation' or something in that vein. The UK is beginning to get a tad too draconian for the 21st century.

I think they are still trying. There is an on-going tabloid newspaper campaign where they are trying to force the ISPs and politicians (especially the opposition) to adopt or commit to an "opt-in" for porn on Internet connections. That is, the default would be required that ISPs take on the cost and legal culpability to block porn.

Ironically, most of these tabloid newspapers publish pornography themselves, and staunchly defend their right to do so.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by [deleted] »

driverdan wrote: post #33
VMG wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine Inch Nails recent releases have been legally made available over bittorrent in 24/96 high quality. I don't understand that argument - who ever claimed that TPB only has infringing material? > According to wikipedia, TPB earnings in 2006 were $102,035.05 US, and expenses in 2009 were $112,590.40 US (couldn't find data fo…

> Weird that they don't publish the numbers themselves. I wonder what the reason might be... They're a private company. They're under no obligation to provide the public with their financial data.

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by fredley »

VMG wrote: post #11
debacle wrote: post #5

Clearly this will stop piracy.

Probably not, but it will make it more difficult for users that aren't tech-savy. (I know that was sarcasm btw)

And there will be plenty of tech-savvy people ready to make it easy again, in exchange for ads/money/malware.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by fredley »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #46
citricsquid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography: illegal Copyright infringement: illegal censoring child porn websites: right, censoring copyright infringement website: wrong. Not sure I understand the difference? Either you're for censorship of websites, or you're against it, you can't pick and choose.

Hosting illegal things: bad Saying where to get illegal things: under dispute

Linking is not a crime.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by [deleted] »

drucken wrote: post #44
VMG wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're a private company For-Profit?

"The Pirate Bay was started by the swedish anti copyright organization Piratbyrån in the late 2003, but in October 2004 it separated became run by dedicated individuals. In 2006 the site changed it's ownership yet again. Today the site is run by an organisation rather than individuals, though as a non-profit . The organisation is registered in the Seychelles and can be contacted using the contact form." https://thepi…

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by Jebus »

sagarun wrote: post #15

One can argue that The Pirate Bay just facilitates copyright violation, It never violates any one's copyright. In fact lot of artist's are publishing content through The Pirate Bay.

Which is also a crime, apparently.

See these cases:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O%27Dwyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taringa!

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by PiracyApologist »

From the guidelines:

  "What to Submit
  On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting.
  That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to
  reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that
  gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."
Clearly the community has spoken in submitting and then voting this up to be the #1 story on HN. However, I'm having a hard time finding what is intellectually gratifying about these kinds of articles other than in a Slashdot YRO-style basis where different people chime in on censorship, arguments over linking vs hosting, morality of piracy, etc.

Maybe having been a long-time Slashdot reader I've seen these arguments played out ad nauseum. When I started regularly participating in HN over a year ago I found HN to be refreshing in that these kinds of stories didn't make it to the front page. If anything, I'd expect a good hacker would find a blog post detailing lesser-known aspects of the bittorrent protocol interesting. Or a blog post discussing technical workarounds were such a block to be implemented. As I've been around long enough, I'm officially qualified to say that I'm saddened to see HN turning into Slashdot/Reddit.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by salvadors »

fredley wrote: post #54
Dylan16807 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hosting illegal things: bad Saying where to get illegal things: under dispute

Linking is not a crime.

That's a nice slogan, but it doesn't match the UK law. Linking can be a crime.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by RobAtticus »

alan_cx wrote: post #41
sagarun wrote: post #15

One can argue that The Pirate Bay just facilitates copyright violation, It never violates any one's copyright. In fact lot of artist's are publishing content through The Pirate Bay.

Where does that argument stop? Computers facilitate copyright violation, there for PCWorld and Dell do too. Roads facilitate burglary, etc, etc. They have legitimate uses, I here the idiots cry. Yeah, so do torrents and TPB. This whole thing reminds me of the prohibition of things like cannabis. Banned on a false economic and scaremongering premiss, yet the laws remain for emotional nonsensical reasons. Logic and rea…

ThePirateBay doesn't pretend to NOT be a tracker for piracy. It makes no effort to ensure that the content it tracks is legitimate and has far more illegitimate content than legitimate content. It's not terribly difficult to see why TPB is different than say a computer or a road.
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