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Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by jmrm » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 7:32 PM UTC

5440 wrote: post #295

My son was just arrested for using this in his hacking club at high school. Be careful if you have kids with one. According to witnesses in the room, he was showing it to kids in his hacking club and they all thought it was just turning off Apple phones in the classrooom. Apparently, it turned off phones including several teachers in adjoining classrooms. Anyways. The police came to the school and arrested him and ar…

I find really excessive having the police involved in those things, specially when are child doing dumb things that hurts nobody.

I done a worse "hacking" actions when I was 12 and I were grounded without any access to any electronic device outside TV at lunch/dinner

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by d1str0 » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 7:34 PM UTC

5440 wrote: post #295

My son was just arrested for using this in his hacking club at high school. Be careful if you have kids with one. According to witnesses in the room, he was showing it to kids in his hacking club and they all thought it was just turning off Apple phones in the classrooom. Apparently, it turned off phones including several teachers in adjoining classrooms. Anyways. The police came to the school and arrested him and ar…

Sorry to hear about this. You probably shouldn’t post anymore about this for legal reasons.

For other readers, I’d be curious the jurisdiction.

The specific app that can turn off iPhones requires the “unleashed” firmware I believe.

Also, regarding legality, if you are DoSing cell phones, you are creating a hazard where users are no longer able to contact emergency services, and this is the most likely avenue of charges, as opposed to FCC fines (if in USA) for using locked spectrums.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by d1str0 » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 7:35 PM UTC

jmrm wrote: post #301

5440 wrote: post #295

My son was just arrested for using this in his hacking club at high school. Be careful if you have kids with one. According to witnesses in the room, he was showing it to kids in his hacking club and they all thought it was just turning off Apple phones in the classrooom. Apparently, it turned off phones including several teachers in adjoining classrooms. Anyways. The police came to the school and arrested him and ar…

I find really excessive having the police involved in those things, specially when are child doing dumb things that hurts nobody. I done a worse "hacking" actions when I was 12 and I were grounded without any access to any electronic device outside TV at lunch/dinner

They didnt know who was causing it or why. Blocking a persons ability to contact emergency services, by DoSing their phone can be devastating.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by Jibbedeyeah » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 8:19 PM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #239

pnw wrote: post #233

I would love to get one but articles like this about the Russian connection put me off. https://simovits.com/flipper-zero-zero-trust/

The device is nothing more than a quite powerful STM32 board with some interesting peripherals added and of course a very powerful firmware/software, which is what makes the difference. However, as everything is Open Source, it can be ported to a similarly designed, possibly different looking, device without the code that phones home, an it probably is what hackers should consider since the Flipper Zero has been bann…

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Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by sev1 » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 8:31 PM UTC

python273 wrote: post #300

sev1 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paranoia isn't the only factor in a purchasing decision. It seems quite clear to me it's a Russian company trying to hide that fact for obvious reasons. I appreciate pnw posting this and making me aware before I decided to send money (indirectly) to Russia.

And how are they "trying to hide" it? > send money (indirectly) to Russia Even the report mentions the team members moving to Tbilisi, Georgia. Afaik Pavel moved to Dubai and still has Ukrainian citizenship. So I doubt a significant portion of company's money ending up in Russia, maybe except salaries of a few engineers. But it's pennies compared to how much the regime is paid for the resources, if that's what you wo…

Semantics aside, I think it's quite clear they are trying to mislead by giving the appearance of being an American company. What does their company address show on their website? Delaware.

The report mentioned that their LinkedIn profiles changed from showing Moscow to Tbilisi. I'm sure I could also change my location to Tbilisi on my LinkedIn profile. How is that a meaningful argument? I don't want any amount of my money going to the Russian economy if I can avoid it, even if it's merely pennies as you say.

Why do you care to defend them so much?

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by dzhiurgis » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 8:47 PM UTC

JKCalhoun wrote: post #236

dheerajvs wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> phones no longer have IR blasters Plently of phones still do [0]. I've configured mine to operate all my devices at home. [0] https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2023&chkInfra...

You just need a small Bluetooth-enabled box sitting on your coffee table near the TV that has an IR transmitter and a paired app on your phone that can send commands to the box. Edit: I had only search and one did appear: https://www.amazon.com/PUCK-Smart-Universal-Remote-Model/dp/...

Seems much cheaper than "infrared blasters" used for home automation

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by OOPMan » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 10:02 PM UTC

d1str0 wrote: post #303

jmrm wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find really excessive having the police involved in those things, specially when are child doing dumb things that hurts nobody. I done a worse "hacking" actions when I was 12 and I were grounded without any access to any electronic device outside TV at lunch/dinner

They didnt know who was causing it or why. Blocking a persons ability to contact emergency services, by DoSing their phone can be devastating.

Right, but did anyones attempts to contact emergency services get affected in this case?

I'm guessing not.

No matter how you paint it, this was probably rather excessive on the part of the police.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by tamimio » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 10:09 PM UTC

d1str0 wrote: post #303

jmrm wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find really excessive having the police involved in those things, specially when are child doing dumb things that hurts nobody. I done a worse "hacking" actions when I was 12 and I were grounded without any access to any electronic device outside TV at lunch/dinner

They didnt know who was causing it or why. Blocking a persons ability to contact emergency services, by DoSing their phone can be devastating.

>Blocking a persons ability to contact emergency services

Looks like they still can call the “emergency” given the police was there after.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by tamimio » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 10:12 PM UTC

5440 wrote: post #295

My son was just arrested for using this in his hacking club at high school. Be careful if you have kids with one. According to witnesses in the room, he was showing it to kids in his hacking club and they all thought it was just turning off Apple phones in the classrooom. Apparently, it turned off phones including several teachers in adjoining classrooms. Anyways. The police came to the school and arrested him and ar…

There teachers are crazy and so is the police being this overdramatic while the actual crooks are out there free doing their crimes while they busy arresting kids, crazy!

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by lobocinza » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 10:38 PM UTC

OOPMan wrote: post #307

d1str0 wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didnt know who was causing it or why. Blocking a persons ability to contact emergency services, by DoSing their phone can be devastating.

Right, but did anyones attempts to contact emergency services get affected in this case? I'm guessing not. No matter how you paint it, this was probably rather excessive on the part of the police.

And on the part of who called the police in the first place. In my experience teachers and school management are just too paranoid/neurotic and will escalate everything so they can't be blamed.