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Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by maxglute »

incomingpain wrote: post #77
cassianoleal wrote: post #5

The title of the video is "Police Called To Stop Filming During Piano Livestream". There are no indications that the people who (very wrongfully) approached them are members of the CCP. They may well be but there's nothing in the video supporting that.

I'll let you in on it. The probably fake police officer isn't why it's going viral. I've watched him for years, he's always pulling hilarious stunts, plus the music is awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH6-PVn8HVE The reason he's going viral is that those were high ranking CCP, lets say alleged intelligence operatives, operating in the UK. I don't think he knew it at the time of uploading the video.

>The reason he's going viral is that those were high ranking CCP, lets say alleged intelligence operatives, operating in the UK. I don't think he knew it at the time of uploading the video.

The reason he's going viral is surprising amount of sinophobes believe a racist when he claims a Chinese person holding a Chinese flag are high ranking CCP officials or even more idiotic, intelligence operatives. Because holding Chinese flag is very good trade craft for spies.

The Chinese lady in the video does career advice videos / planning for Chinese international students who wants to find employment in UK.

https://www.youtube.com/@mengying6582/videos

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by mmh0000 »

g-b-r wrote: post #80
mmh0000 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about all the surveillance cameras permeating society?

Extremely bad Were you born after they spread, by any chance?

My point is, you're being filmed in most all public spaces all the time. Some rando filming doesn't really change the amount of privacy you do or don't have.

EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveill...

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by steveylang »

g-b-r wrote: post #63

The chinese guy becomes a huge moron when he claims he touched her, but the pianist is a big jerk as well. Calling "freedom" the right to film (and publish on YouTube) anyone is ludicrous (yeah I know how many Americans do that). Your freedom ends when others' freedoms begin, and if you had to assume that everything you do in public would be stored forever for the world to see your freedom just tanked.

These guys were literally just filming themselves playing the piano, when they were approached by people completely outside the view of the camera telling them to stop.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

#84

Post by g-b-r »

mmh0000 wrote: post #82
g-b-r wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extremely bad Were you born after they spread, by any chance?

My point is, you're being filmed in most all public spaces all the time. Some rando filming doesn't really change the amount of privacy you do or don't have. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveill...

Oh so Americans do care about being filmed in public xD

Surveillance Camera Man might be my new hero, if his goals where the ones I hope.

Although I might want to turn away the surveillance cameras as well, some rando filming could be worse for:

- uploading the video to YouTube

- sometimes reaching places that are not really covered with cameras

- and in the Surveillance Camera Man case specifically, for it being more likely that the video be used for nefarious purposes

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by g-b-r »

steveylang wrote: post #83
g-b-r wrote: post #63

The chinese guy becomes a huge moron when he claims he touched her, but the pianist is a big jerk as well. Calling "freedom" the right to film (and publish on YouTube) anyone is ludicrous (yeah I know how many Americans do that). Your freedom ends when others' freedoms begin, and if you had to assume that everything you do in public would be stored forever for the world to see your freedom just tanked.

These guys were literally just filming themselves playing the piano, when they were approached by people completely outside the view of the camera telling them to stop.

Largely yes, but then the pianist did approach and have them specifically filmed

I think the Chinese didn't move because they were recording something and wanted to do it in that place, but most of all they wanted what had already been recorded of them to be deleted / blurred.

Sure it's a little ironic if they were recording themselves, but in many countries you expect it to be a right to have recordings of you at least not distributed (and it is ironic for PRC people to talk about rights).

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by incomingpain »

maxglute wrote: post #81
incomingpain wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll let you in on it. The probably fake police officer isn't why it's going viral. I've watched him for years, he's always pulling hilarious stunts, plus the music is awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH6-PVn8HVE The reason he's going viral is that those were high ranking CCP, lets say alleged intelligence operatives, operating in the UK. I don't think he knew it at the time of uploading the video.

>The reason he's going viral is that those were high ranking CCP, lets say alleged intelligence operatives, operating in the UK. I don't think he knew it at the time of uploading the video. The reason he's going viral is surprising amount of sinophobes believe a racist when he claims a Chinese person holding a Chinese flag are high ranking CCP officials or even more idiotic, intelligence operatives. Because holding C…

She has more subscribers then I do. 1,200 subs...

600 views is ground breaking on her videos. Practically a youtube influencer extraordinaire.

So here's the thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6tmlXm7pMc

He knows chinese folk and meme songs. He plays for chinese people often. There's no 'sinophobia' here.

Flipside, you can see the flanking 'security' in the original video who were clearly there as well. That's a big group and an awful lot of skilled security for a 1,200 subs youtube influencer.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

cassianoleal wrote: post #33
klik99 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this bugs me - the police offer says "you can't just call them communists" and he says "I just said they're holding a communist flag, is that wrong?" and then uploads the video saying it's CCP. If this had been a British person who didn't want to be filmed would this video been making quite the stir? It just feels like he's milking it.

He is definitely milking it. Note that he's absolutely in his right to film and publish this. The people complaining have no standing which is why in the end it got filmed and published. Also the policewoman's stance was absolutely disgraceful.

He's milking it so much he's on Mike Graham's show on TalkTV tonight.

This is not a sign of good faith, in my experience.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by foverzar »

g-b-r wrote: post #75
foverzar wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Challenge of who is a bigger dick: a guy who is openly racist, makes fun of other people language skills and makes it a principle to act like a dick vs the guy who got hysterically overprotective - a challenge we truly deserve. I don't personally believe in the "bigger dick" narrative when the whole point of trolling is provoke someone to loose their cool. The piano guy spend good few minutes poking those asian peopl…

Well it's really hard to establish bigger dickness, although the Chinese was very polite the rest of the time, making up an assault case is pretty dicky (and probably criminal). I don't know about the racism though, it's possible but he might simply not like the Chinese government and political system (and assume that waving a Chinese flag means supporting it, which was probably the case).

> making up an assault case is pretty dicky (and probably criminal).

The pianist actually did try to grab that woman, look at the video.

I can't even say if the asian guy overreacted because I can't imagine myself being in the same conversation and not busting the pianist's nose or balls - and that's what would have probably happened if the pianist gave the same attitude towards a random white British girl off camera.

> I don't know about the racism though, it's possible but he might simply not like the Chinese government and political system

He was calling them "Japanese" while cracking jokes about "Chinese government" and mocking their language skills, while the woman he tried to grab was explaining to him that she is actually British. That's clearly racist.

One's political preferences is never an excuse of such a behavior towards individuals - a lot of people tend to forget that.

> and assume that waving a Chinese flag means supporting it, which was probably the case

Tourist groups often use flags in order to keep track of the group members. Thousands of people use the Union Jack or the US flag as a mere garage decoration.

There are myriad of possible reasons a person could be holding some nations flag other than to show support for a certain political force within that nation.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by g-b-r »

foverzar wrote: post #88
g-b-r wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's really hard to establish bigger dickness, although the Chinese was very polite the rest of the time, making up an assault case is pretty dicky (and probably criminal). I don't know about the racism though, it's possible but he might simply not like the Chinese government and political system (and assume that waving a Chinese flag means supporting it, which was probably the case).

> making up an assault case is pretty dicky (and probably criminal). The pianist actually did try to grab that woman, look at the video. I can't even say if the asian guy overreacted because I can't imagine myself being in the same conversation and not busting the pianist's nose or balls - and that's what would have probably happened if the pianist gave the same attitude towards a random white British girl off camera…

> The pianist actually did try to grab that woman, look at the video

Although his hand can't be seen, it definitely seems he just came closer to the flag or hand

It's for sure extremely unlikely he was assaulting, which is what the scream of the Chinese implied.

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> He was calling them "Japanese" while cracking jokes about "Chinese government" and mocking their language skills, while the woman he tried to grab was explaining to him that she is actually British. That's clearly racist

That's compatible to just not liking the Chinese dictatorship, and it's typical for the Chinese government to accuse of racism anyone who criticizes them.

There might be racism here though.

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> There are myriad of possible reasons a person could be holding some nations flag other than to show support for a certain political force within that nation.

I'm not Chinese but I don't think I'd be happy to hold that flag if I didn't support the CCP system. After all the biggest star represents the CCP.

But it might well be so that in some occasions (e.g. sport events) you genuinely use it with good intents.

Actual racism towards Asians is in any case very rare, in my experience

Anyhow, Chinese citizens are mostly victims, and you should indeed not treat them in that way for what their government does.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by maxglute »

incomingpain wrote: post #86
maxglute wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The reason he's going viral is that those were high ranking CCP, lets say alleged intelligence operatives, operating in the UK. I don't think he knew it at the time of uploading the video. The reason he's going viral is surprising amount of sinophobes believe a racist when he claims a Chinese person holding a Chinese flag are high ranking CCP officials or even more idiotic, intelligence operatives. Because holding C…

She has more subscribers then I do. 1,200 subs... 600 views is ground breaking on her videos. Practically a youtube influencer extraordinaire. So here's the thing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6tmlXm7pMc He knows chinese folk and meme songs. He plays for chinese people often. There's no 'sinophobia' here. Flipside, you can see the flanking 'security' in the original video who were clearly there as well. That's…

Did I suggest she's an influencer extraordinaire? She makes career advice videos for Chinese international students. She has a small channel with small views like most entrepreneurs at this level.

What skilled flanking security? You mean a bunch of other Chinese people in the group? A woman in the 30s isn't old enough to even be an important bureaucrat under PRC system that is tacitly gated by age.

>He knows chinese folk and meme songs

Yes, the old I have a Chinese wife and can't be racist rationale. He got into a confrontation a Chinese lady and just casually accused her of being a CCP sychophant, and doubling down on follow up videos giving noise to conspiracy that this group is some Chinese op. That's as sinophobic as it gets. If this happened to even a Russia who didn't want to be filmed I doubt he would be screaming Kremlin KGB ops.

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