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Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by jacknews »

jacknews wrote: post #12
neom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't threaten him at all? They (wrongfully) asked him forcefully to stop filming.

true, they didn't say 'stop filming or we'll break your legs', but it was nonetheless attempt to intimidate.

I'm now slightly intrigued as to what they are actually doing. By their accents, they've clearly been in UK for a while, are gathered for some kind of patriotic celebration or whatever, and very much don't want to be filmed.

It's most likely just a university compatriot get-together or something similar, but this is the fuel of conspiracy theories, sleeper cells, etc.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by piva00 »

foverzar wrote: post #18

So, some asian-looking people asked the guy not to film them and the guy decided to be a loud dick about the whole thing, while almost assaulting one of the women. "CCP members threaten British public piano player", right. I get that some countries still don't have a legal requirement to blur people in the background (or at least when they asked you to), but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-p…

It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age".

He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. He is also quite well within his rights, trying to intimidate him to stop doing it is pretty fucking evil as well.

Have we watched the same video?

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by markb139 »

0xSNAFU wrote: post #4
ilamont wrote: post #3

I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. Does the UK have something similar, or is this a “little wolf warrior” misunderstanding what he can demand or do abroad?

> Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel. https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/p...

I think the train station is private property.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by jacknews »

gruez wrote: post #17
jacknews wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that doesn't follow. they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out.

>they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. >but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out. I'm not claiming that because they're patriotic that they're CCP members. In fact if you read my comment more carefully I'm claiming the opposite, by pointing out how absurd it is to assume a patriotic American to be a CIA agent. I'm not sure how doing so is "kindness".

Well it's a kindness to ordinary patriotic Chinese people, who don't go around trying to bully people who happen to be filming, like the CPP might.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by neom »

foverzar wrote: post #18

So, some asian-looking people asked the guy not to film them and the guy decided to be a loud dick about the whole thing, while almost assaulting one of the women. "CCP members threaten British public piano player", right. I get that some countries still don't have a legal requirement to blur people in the background (or at least when they asked you to), but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-p…

There is a whole genre on youtube of people who go out and bother people in public with cameras "because it's their right". Check out "Amagansett Press". Fine, people have their rights.

That said, In film school, we were taught that we can film anyone in public and that's our right, and also taught that if you film someone in public and they come up and tell you it's a problem, it's polite to not publish their likeness/delete the image. I always did do, but quite a few kids in class couldn't care less.

Different strokes.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by greatgib »

maeln wrote: post #16
ilamont wrote: post #3

I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. Does the UK have something similar, or is this a “little wolf warrior” misunderstanding what he can demand or do abroad?

> I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. For more details, it is not about photographing people (it is perfectly legal in public places) but publishing (in any form, press or social media) the picture. The law apply if you single out a person or a group of person (so if someone is in the background and not the main focus of…

But there is an exception to the law that would probably apply in this case:

You can't restrict the right of publishing the video is it is in the context of a demonstration, a "manifestation" (that means more an event in French), or that it is news worthy or of public interest.

As the Chinese were there demonstrating to support the Chinese CCP propaganda or something or that sort, anyone could have recorded them directly in isolation I think.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by BobbyJo »

foverzar wrote: post #18

So, some asian-looking people asked the guy not to film them and the guy decided to be a loud dick about the whole thing, while almost assaulting one of the women. "CCP members threaten British public piano player", right. I get that some countries still don't have a legal requirement to blur people in the background (or at least when they asked you to), but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-p…

> asian-looking people

They were waving CCP flags, so making that sounds like some kind of race blindness is a bit wild.

> but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-professional vlogger understands.

The way they acted when asking not to be filmed was very impolite.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by em-bee »

jacknews wrote: post #10
gruez wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's any better. Imagine assuming every american is CIA, or every russian is FSB.

that doesn't follow. they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out.

they explicitly stated that they are a chinese TV crew. that should be clear enough and not need further speculation.

Re: CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

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Post by tpoacher »

0xSNAFU wrote: post #4
ilamont wrote: post #3

I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. Does the UK have something similar, or is this a “little wolf warrior” misunderstanding what he can demand or do abroad?

> Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel. https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/p...

What's on that link describes a very different situation from "should you be allowed to film and post online (for profit no less) private citizens who have explicitly withdrawn their consent, just because you happen to be filming them in a public place?"

The police are public officials. The law in question says it is not illegal for citizens to record public officials, including police officers. I would imagine this is partly to help citizens keep their police force accountable. So this person was well within their rights to 'not have a private conversation' with the police officer.

But it's a very different situation from, say, filming someone who does not wish to be filmed, or harassing someone in public by filming them and then posting online publicly, and pretending it's fine just because you were in a 'public place'.

The technical legality of the situation aside, given that these individuals politely (initially) requested their faces be not shown on public youtube videos (for profit no less), and this person made no effort to even blur at the very least, then I have a hard time finding right with him.

We're not even talking about whether a private individual should have the right to film such that this might be presented as evidence in a court of law if required. So this is not a free speech issue. This person is simply putting it on youtube for money. Without reasonable consent. Yes not everyone in the video needs to give consent, as this can be implied if they walked through a scene and the recording was 'non-hidden'. But these people explicitly denied consent. There must be some sort of GDPR thing at play here at the very least.

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