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Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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Well, I for one don't think everything is ugly. Apple devices and stores look clean and elegant to me. Tesla vehicles feel and look simple and beautiful to me. If given a choice, I'd rather live in new buildings with bright, light-filled interiors than in old buildings with darker, mustier interiors. I could provide more examples of things I don't think are ugly. The main point is this: Beauty is in the eye of the be…

As soon as they added the 3-eyed protruding camera, iPhone’s lost a lot of their appeal.

Tesla vehicles look fairly bland, dry and devoid of emotion to me.

There are things that objectively make something more beautiful. Symmetry for example. Not all beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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> Gah! Blinded by the intense glare of an LED streetlamp, we bump right into said streetlamp. Fortunately there’s an urgent care across the street, still open in the dwindling dusk. We’re no doctor — at least not until they start giving out PhDs in walking around — but we can tell that our knee is bleeding.

Who is this "we" they keep referring to...are they Siamese twins?

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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I just wanted to echo the gray frustration here. I went to buy vinyl flooring (I can't afford hardwood) and the sheer amount of inexplicably "grey wood" planks was staggering. Why! Like, it's as if some alien only saw wood in an episode of I Love Lucy and wanted to replicate it.

The current advice is when you buy something to already think about the resale value of the item. So this excludes all colors for everything. Black, white, gray everything.

I make a show of disrespecting people who follow that advice instead of buying what makes them happy.

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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I guess design is more about the amount of emotion evoked, rather than the quality of emotion evoked. Destruction is easier than creation.

Creating something so ugly that it induces a negative emotion is probably easier than creating something so beautiful that it induces a positive emotion.

That would also explain modern UI design.

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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> After New York replaced the sodium-vapor lights in the city’s 250,000 streetlamps with shiny new LEDs in 2017, the experience of walking through the city at night transformed, almost . . . overnight. Forgiving, romantic, shadowy orange gave way to cold, all-seeing bluish white. Before the late 1970s, NYC was illuminated at night by pinkish-white incandescent bulbs. When the yellow monstrosities were rolled out peop…

Most of these aesthetic criticism people are just conservative people. They don't like change. The world was best when they arrived somewhere. That's pretty much it. SF is full of a similar kind.

When you're an artist who tries to recreate things from the past you learn very quickly the limitations of what we use nowadays. Tradeoffs in efficiency are often paid for with quality of life. For example many of the older high pressure sodium lamps were better for human eyesight because of their colour spectrum being a segment of daylight allowing better contrast perception and not straining the upper limits of the cones in your eyes for night vision. Their falloff was also much better, preventing harsh shadows inherent to fluorescent and LED lights that hide things all too easily and create unwelcoming chiseled depth on architecture. Sadly adding in those little quality of life benefits costs more fractions of a cent per unit, so the modern LED bulbs capable of recreating them go without.

The other thing, about the "McCentury Modern" architecture, has been proven time and again over the last decade. Flat shapes without detail with random splashes of colour cause anxiety because the human mind needs visual definition and coherency. There are ongoing studies about whether or not modern architecture causes depression because so many people have noticed. At least in the past the cheapest stuff used bricks for facades, but developers think even those are too expensive now. That and the proliferation of grey is entirely about money, because it's easier to sell the lowest common denominator without a hint of individuality. This is especially true when it comes to market instability, because when tenant turnover is in the range of months grabbing the cheapest thing and throwing together the least personable environment to rope in anybody at all will keep you from having a vacancy of longer than a few weeks.

The films thing is just... Nobody actually looks at physical examples anymore, so they have no idea how things should look. With practical effects you were manipulating and testing what already existed instead of trying to recreate it as an approximation. There's a surrealist level of detail in almost anything created via CG, only worsened by the lighting needing to be flattened to cover up the unfinished work done because of an impossible schedule and masked with digital colour correcting. Real waves don't have that much foam, real diamond weave cloth doesn't have that specular profile, real explosions don't have such low luminosity and so many particles, so on and so forth.

A lot of people realize things are very wrong with the world, they just don't have the expertise or the vocabulary to explain it. So they point at things they know other people will innately understand as examples. Don't say they hate change because of that limitation.

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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Most of these aesthetic criticism people are just conservative people. They don't like change. The world was best when they arrived somewhere. That's pretty much it. SF is full of a similar kind.

Do you really prefer hospital lighting over yellow lighting?

Are we calling full spectrum daylight "hospital lighting" now?

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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I guarantee you that this is not the case. Go watch an old CRT, even the eye-wateringly expensive ones sucked compared to even a mediocre OLED. We just think they were great because of the SD pieces of crap we compared them to. Ditto for all of the technology Millennials have ennui for.

It's not about the resolution, it's about the sound they make as the tube powers up, and the smell, and the slight whistle in operation. They're also have excellent refresh rate and add no latency to the incoming signal. I still have a CRT for my SNES. It's not in the best of shape (bit of burn-in from a previous owner), but it makes me happy every time it turns on.

You might call it a "slight whistle" but I call it a headache inducing high pitched screech

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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What I find really interesting is that women can see shades that men cannot. My wife painted several shades of grey on the wall, including "agreeable gray" and I could not tell the difference, all looked the same. I experienced the same thing when she was looking for a grey / green for the kitchen cabinets. I could not tell the difference and all looked grey. She was also able to see shades of blue where all I saw wa…

https://www.xrite.com/hue-test

I got a perfect score (0) relatively quickly. I do suspect this phenomenon (which i've also experienced regarding fashion) comes from something other than actual visual perception though. Something like a combination of different aesthetic preferences and what one deems important vs what one deems unimportant in interior design

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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I just wanted to echo the gray frustration here. I went to buy vinyl flooring (I can't afford hardwood) and the sheer amount of inexplicably "grey wood" planks was staggering. Why! Like, it's as if some alien only saw wood in an episode of I Love Lucy and wanted to replicate it.

One of the carpet companies I was recommended exclusively makes browns and greyscale. No. NO!

And getting my car, the only options were grey and white. :(

I hate the greypocalypse that has happened. So depressing.

Re: Why is everything so ugly?

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It's not about the resolution, it's about the sound they make as the tube powers up, and the smell, and the slight whistle in operation. They're also have excellent refresh rate and add no latency to the incoming signal. I still have a CRT for my SNES. It's not in the best of shape (bit of burn-in from a previous owner), but it makes me happy every time it turns on.

You might call it a "slight whistle" but I call it a headache inducing high pitched screech

That might be the sign of a bad flyback transformer. It shouldn't be hard on the hearing.

That said, if every CRT is like that, you may just be blessed/cursed with good high-range hearing. One of my siblings can't drive in my truck because the turbo bothers her hearing -- I bet she doesn't like CRTs either.

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