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The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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When asking Google - what the etymology of the "robot" word is, the answer is from Czech word "robota" which is they translate as "forced labor". While I don't speak Czech, I speak Polish which is a close cousin. For years it didn't occur to me that "robot" and the shortened "bot" words have slavic etymology. In Polish "robić" means to do (carry out, perform etc.) something. "Robię kawę" means "I'm making a coffee" a…

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Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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When asking Google - what the etymology of the "robot" word is, the answer is from Czech word "robota" which is they translate as "forced labor". While I don't speak Czech, I speak Polish which is a close cousin. For years it didn't occur to me that "robot" and the shortened "bot" words have slavic etymology. In Polish "robić" means to do (carry out, perform etc.) something. "Robię kawę" means "I'm making a coffee" a…

Speaking of Slavic etymology and robota, "slave" is derived from "Slav".

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Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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When asking Google - what the etymology of the "robot" word is, the answer is from Czech word "robota" which is they translate as "forced labor". While I don't speak Czech, I speak Polish which is a close cousin. For years it didn't occur to me that "robot" and the shortened "bot" words have slavic etymology. In Polish "robić" means to do (carry out, perform etc.) something. "Robię kawę" means "I'm making a coffee" a…

In Russian, работа simply means "work" or "job" without any negative connotation.

Russian isn't Czech and there are a lot of false cognates between the two.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Czech and while those two languages are close, "robota" is really forced work in Czech. What you called "robota" in Polish is called "práce" in Czech. In Czech, "Robota" is forced work and has bad connotations. See https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robota . It's interesting that this page doesn't have Polish translation.

In the region where I was growing up next to Poland, we say "chodit do roboty" when describing normal work.

It cannot be helped if your práce feels much like robota. Which, granted, happens a lot.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd translate "robotnik" as a "worker". A "person who is doing something" sounds a bit too general. Nevertheless, it's easy to guess that the root of the word is the same verb.

So “robota” would cover a personal or job-related chore and “robotnik” is a person performing such a chore?

In Polsh:

"Robotnik" means *manual* worker. E.g. someone fixing roads, or working in a factory.

"Pracownik" is a generic word for "employee". Can be an office worker or an manual worker.

"Robić" basically means "to do". While "pracować" means "to work". As you can notice one is more formal than another.

"Robota" is a less formal word, something closer to a "gig" (however it also means "work" or "job"). You will probably not find it in written texts. In writing "praca" (work) sounds more formal.

As a bonus, if you are a (manual) worker who complains and makes some not subtle digs about your job, you can say that you "have to go to your kołchoz tomorrow" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz ). As the communist slogan said "work is your second home" after all :)

On a side note, do Czechs really like the polish word "pomidorek"? (Little tomato)

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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When asking Google - what the etymology of the "robot" word is, the answer is from Czech word "robota" which is they translate as "forced labor". While I don't speak Czech, I speak Polish which is a close cousin. For years it didn't occur to me that "robot" and the shortened "bot" words have slavic etymology. In Polish "robić" means to do (carry out, perform etc.) something. "Robię kawę" means "I'm making a coffee" a…

In various Discworld books, Pratchett sort of unified Golumns with Asimov’s three laws robots.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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It’s interesting that Philip K. Dick’s androids from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and the Replicants from the Blade Runner are way closer to Čapek’s robots than to mechanical humanlike contraptions. All three raise the same question — what is humanity, when you really get down to it?

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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His robot was hijacked to mean a mechanical man with gears and wires inside and he objected to that. I'm thinking of course that the public only had experience with these things — or perhaps this was another fear of the time, the mechanization of jobs, and so the robot became the perfect avatar for this fear and so evolved. But surely the idea of a mechanical man predates the term, robot. Automatons? Or is the distin…

The word "automaton" was coined to emphasize that the thing was inflexible. The word "robot" was coined to emphasize that it labored.

I don't think those were equivalent at first.

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