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Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"

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Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"

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Post by ddalex »

raffraffraff wrote: post #269
orbisvicis wrote: post #33

"I [Paul Patterson, co-CEO of Fujitsu's European division] am surprised that that detail was not included in the witness statements given by Fujitsu staff to the Post Office and I have seen some evidence of editing witness statements by others" How does this scandal keep getting worse and worse when the only thing to cover up is a contract for some poorly written software? At this point I'm starting to suspect some u…

It does seem to go far deeper than a single contract for a single piece of poorly written software. Paywalled: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-villain-at-the-heart-... Unpaywalled: https://archive.is/aaJyc Summary: In the 1960s, the government merged a bunch of companies "at gunpoint", creating behemoths like British Leyland ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Leyland ) and ICL ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

> because of EU rules

Citation needed.

Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"

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Post by LoveMortuus »

orbisvicis wrote: post #33

"I [Paul Patterson, co-CEO of Fujitsu's European division] am surprised that that detail was not included in the witness statements given by Fujitsu staff to the Post Office and I have seen some evidence of editing witness statements by others" How does this scandal keep getting worse and worse when the only thing to cover up is a contract for some poorly written software? At this point I'm starting to suspect some u…

People have actually died because of this, yet these still don't take it seriously and take the responsibility for it...

How much longer will they drag this through the dirt, because the families of the deceased can finally have peace?

Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"

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Post by raffraffraff »

ddalex wrote: post #271
raffraffraff wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem to go far deeper than a single contract for a single piece of poorly written software. Paywalled: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-villain-at-the-heart-... Unpaywalled: https://archive.is/aaJyc Summary: In the 1960s, the government merged a bunch of companies "at gunpoint", creating behemoths like British Leyland ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Leyland ) and ICL ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

> because of EU rules Citation needed.

Oh I absolutely agree that they should have had a citation for that. I'm just summarising the article. It was a common political tactic: blame the EU for unpopular policies, but don't give them credit for the popular ones. It's may be part of the reason why UK voters were so easily convinced to vote for Brexit. I've seen the same tactics here in Ireland.

I have no doubt that you could find some EU legislation from the '90s that could have been a tiny factor in this debacle, but it's fairly obvious that the biggest factor was panic that ICL would collapse if they didn't continue propping them up with fresh money, leaving many government IT systems out of support.

Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"

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Post by smcin »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #90
smcin wrote: post #65

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Perhaps, but if they're unstated, what prevents you revising your principles after the fact, to fit your actions? Anyway the UK Fujitsu/Postmaster scandal is about a huge chain of dishonest human behavior, not bugs in software.

> Perhaps, but if they're unstated, what prevents you revising your principles after the fact, to fit your actions? then you're not a principled person, that's why actions speak louder than words.

But noone external to the contents of their head can know that. It's unknowable to all the rest of us. (The only thing the rest of us can tell is they might be confused, incoherent, have a weak, inconsistent or just idiosyncratic set of principles, etc.)

See the author interview of Robert Greene on "Exploring Human Nature" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1tGC401j78

Re: Fujitsu bugs that sent innocent people to prison were known "from the start"

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Post by 123pie123 »

123pie123 wrote: post #140
nabla9 wrote: post #127

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Yes. Really weird. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/private-prosecutions

to me, there nothing really wrong with the concept of private prosecutions whats happened here is a total fuck up of justice, with many many people lying and the fact people/ judges have believed computer printouts as fact - ffs

I must admit I'm now leaning over to not having private prosecutions based this fuck up, the PO have 100% abused the system.

which means other larger companies could do the same - maybe only CPS should bring cases

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