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Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by yakshaving_jgt » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 8:52 AM UTC

My Flipper Zero has been useful for me while living in Ukraine.

For some reason, many apartment buildings require the use of a little electronic tag not only to open the outside gates, but also to operate the elevator to reach someone's apartment. This also includes trying to use the elevator to reach the ground floor, e.g., when you leave your friend's apartment and you are going home. So you can't leave the building with the elevator without your friend coming out and unlocking it for you. It's madness.

So, I clone my friends' tags (with their knowledge) and come and go as I please.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by sofixa » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 8:58 AM UTC

BossingAround wrote: post #197

dheerajvs wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> phones no longer have IR blasters Plently of phones still do [0]. I've configured mine to operate all my devices at home. [0] https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2023&chkInfra...

In other words, Chinese brands still have IR blasters. I don't know I would trust Chinese-brand of phones though.

Why not? Most phones are manufactured in China anyways, and Xiaomi, OnePlus, Honor, Oppo are major and very widely popular and used brands all over the world (outside of the US which is allergic to Chinese brands unless it's for cheap crap or to outsource manufacturing to).

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by infinitedata » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:01 AM UTC

gleenn wrote: post #7

roughly wrote: post #2

I’ve had one of these guys sitting around for a while - love the hardware, love the concept, but I haven’t really found a lot of use for it - what are y’all using them for?

My friend found out the school he sysadmins for was using weak rfid card keys (despite the readers being smart enough to handle higher level encryption) and found he could clone his key and get in places. So basically he pen tested and then they decided to upgrade to the less or non-cloneable card keys. Security for the win.

You can achieve this exact same use case with a $15 RFID reader/writer, supporting higher frequencies and encryption.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by Alifatisk » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:04 AM UTC

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #45

Recent news discussions: Flipper Zero can be used to crash iPhones running iOS 17 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37919396 Apple Shuts Down Flipper Zero's Ability to Shut Down iPhones https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38656607 Flipper Zero banned by Amazon for being a ‘card skimming device’ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481580 UK airport confiscates passenger's Flipper Zero https://news.ycombinator.c…

Someone on Twitter mentioned how some kid managed to crash and shutdown their insulin pump using the flipper zero.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by chpatrick » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:05 AM UTC

BossingAround wrote: post #197

dheerajvs wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> phones no longer have IR blasters Plently of phones still do [0]. I've configured mine to operate all my devices at home. [0] https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2023&chkInfra...

In other words, Chinese brands still have IR blasters. I don't know I would trust Chinese-brand of phones though.

In terms of functionality they're night and day compared to Western brands which seem to just enshittify their devices while raising prices. They're all made in China at the end of the day.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by Mad_ad » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:10 AM UTC

Alifatisk wrote: post #204

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #45

Recent news discussions: Flipper Zero can be used to crash iPhones running iOS 17 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37919396 Apple Shuts Down Flipper Zero's Ability to Shut Down iPhones https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38656607 Flipper Zero banned by Amazon for being a ‘card skimming device’ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35481580 UK airport confiscates passenger's Flipper Zero https://news.ycombinator.c…

Someone on Twitter mentioned how some kid managed to crash and shutdown their insulin pump using the flipper zero.

source? sounds fishy to me, can't believe insulin pumps are so vulnerable.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by mihaaly » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:22 AM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #78

sneak wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tools can be used for good and bad. This isn’t anything new and doesn’t “ruin” a device.

The person you're responding to probably means that bad actors will cause the device to become illegal to buy or use in certain areas as a result of being associated with illegal or harmful behavior.

It is true, tools will be misused, banning already happened to knifes and scissors in narrow or broader context for example. Will see how this one will be regulated, if will be at all. If they are smart - usually not, but at least less smart than paranoid - then it will not be a blanket rule, actually cannot be without unplugging all computation and wireless devices.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by sureglymop » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:24 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #148

sureglymop wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you just take the liberty to turn off someone elses devices in someone elses establishment? That's... questionable.

So is forcing me to watch ads. TVs everywhere in public spaces in America is a cancer and I’ll happily turn them off or unplug them whenever and wherever I see them. This isn’t a thing in other countries, it’s part of American culture.

I have a hard time telling whether you are being sarcastic here.

It's one thing to block ads when they have been loaded into your web browser that is in your room (completely morally and ethically fine). It's a completely different thing to go into someone elses space and start making decisions about what is or isn't running on a tv there.

I like ads as little as you so what I can do is just boycott that restaurant or bar entirely or ask the staff to turn it off. I think it's part of being a well adjusted adult to know what you want or don't want and go about it in a reasonable way (such as asking staff). It's immature though to just do that forcibly.

It is however not my duty to teach you that, so let's leave it at that.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by geor9e » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:27 AM UTC

1oooqooq wrote: post #171

geor9e wrote: post #46

$169 is a bit steep for me, so I went on Temu and bought a $8 125KHz RFID programmer & a $5 USB-C IR Blaster. Combined with my Samsung phones native NFC writing, bluetooth, etc I feel like it scratched the itch of 90% of what people do with Flipper for 10% the cost.

no phone can act as a nfc card. your set up doesn't cover the main use case for the flipper on nfc space

Sure but I have dozens of blank cards and stickers I bought for a few dollars.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by ablation » Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 9:28 AM UTC

Mad_ad wrote: post #206

Alifatisk wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone on Twitter mentioned how some kid managed to crash and shutdown their insulin pump using the flipper zero.

source? sounds fishy to me, can't believe insulin pumps are so vulnerable.

I don't have a source for OP's Flipper Zero story, but insulin pumps are surprisingly vulnerable: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-medical-advisories/icsm...