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Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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Well, these things are subject to interpretation, of course, but I don't think it's a stretch to call the following a personal attack, as it creates a pejorative image and applies it to the other person (and adds negative intensifiers like "of course", "just", "got emotional", "secretly resented"): " I presume you said nothing to alert her to the issue, of course? Just got emotional about it and secretly resented the…

So how would you have conveyed the intent of, "I don't think you're being fair to this woman, nor do I think you're attempting to engage with the problem you've described in a productive way."? And no, I wouldn't say you've "offended me" per se, just that I find it disappointing you've chosen me, of the two people here, to reply to.

It would have been fine to post "I don't think you're being fair to this woman" and then add a description of what you think would be more fair to her.

I would stay away from remarks like "nor do I think you're attempting to engage with the problem you've described in a productive way"—that's already a swipe, and already personal, and therefore on the wrong side of the line by HN standards.

The GP comment wasn't great: it was ranty; the repetition of "lady" struck me as slightly distasteful; and the self-congratulatory reference to "unpopular opinion" is one of the worst internet clichés. However, I don't see that it broke the site guidelines; or at least not badly.

If I were going to reply as a mod to every comment that strikes me as bad...well, that would be physically impossible, plus would generate an endless firestorm from readers objecting to my interpretations. I have to be a lot more cautious than that! In practice that means sticking to cases where the majority of readers would likely agree that the site guidelines were broken unambiguously. That's still guesswork, but less guessy than it sounds.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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Not everyone loves children, is the unspoken unpopular thing to say. Even more unpopular: dogs. These are things I wish not to see in an office, nor a bar environment. Actually see isn't the issue, it's the uncontrollable, but considered normal, noise that I find stressful.

See I adore dogs and yet I can easily visualize and understand what your reaction would be like to having a dog around during your work day. I find this or that sound a dog makes endearing- you find it annoying or worse. I find the mess a dog makes a mild inconvenience- you find it disgusting. Instead of telling you you’re overreacting or that you’re being insensitive to people who are obligated for some reason to in…

You posted 16 times about this in this thread. That's excessive. Please don't perpetuate flamewars.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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This comment betrays the old and persistent idea that lower status people are inherently shifty and lazy, while higher status people are inherently more virtuous. I think this is because people are applying survivorship bias. It's really difficult to make it to those status levels while abusing drugs and alcohol. And even if you party hard at the top you must be able to "handle your shit". Success at the top is a car…

It’s not just that. It has puritan religous undertones. Work is virtuous, and god rewards those that have his favor. Therefore those that have less, are obviously outside of god’s favor. Why are they not rewarded? Because they aren’t virtuous, and since work is virtue, they must be shifty and lazy. This is very deep seated idea in American culture. It manifests all sorts of ways. Deference to the rich, because clearl…

How rich are we talking? I'm just talking about your average schmuck pulling in $120k in a white collar job. Very unlikely that these types are leveraging family connections. It just takes a four year degree, washing your car, and being able to host some coworkers for lunch.

Disclaimer: I believe it's society's duty to shame the shifless and lazy.

And most of the behaviors that are taught by religions are rooted in anecdotal evidence over hundreds of years. Harder workers usually succeed more than the lazy. It's a lot more effective to say "hard work = heaven".

And it's not even really about "success". Giving a damn about what you do in this life is key to a life of happiness and therefore a life aimed at a target and governed by rules about how to interact with your fellow man. "Giving a damn" is the most important foundation for financial success as well.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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post #182

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See I adore dogs and yet I can easily visualize and understand what your reaction would be like to having a dog around during your work day. I find this or that sound a dog makes endearing- you find it annoying or worse. I find the mess a dog makes a mild inconvenience- you find it disgusting. Instead of telling you you’re overreacting or that you’re being insensitive to people who are obligated for some reason to in…

You posted 16 times about this in this thread. That's excessive. Please don't perpetuate flamewars. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Feedback gratefully accepted.

I’m defensive on this topic because I get a lot of flack for it. I’ll stop now.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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this comment represent a weird sentiment: if you drugt test in one field, you should equally drug test I all fields. How many airplanes crashed due to The pilot being on drugs? it seems like introducing a whole machinery to just have the same resting is an industrial scale waste of resources. However, people regularly die because of drunk and tired drivers.

How many bad economic decisions were based on cocaine usage back in the day? I think the point is that with higher paying and salaried jobs you are practically exempt from having repercussions due to drug usage while a lowerpaid wage worker is constantly in fear of getting fired over it.

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Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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There is some implicit assumption that drug testing is a safety measure. I am quite convinced it is a productivity measure.

so a truck drives faster when the driver is completely sober? the plane flies faster when the pilot is not on drugs?

To any extent that a truck driver misses a pickup or fails to report due to alcohol or subsequent effects, yes, that truck that isn’t moving at all is moving slower than one that’s loaded, crewed, and rolling.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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this comment represent a weird sentiment: if you drugt test in one field, you should equally drug test I all fields. How many airplanes crashed due to The pilot being on drugs? it seems like introducing a whole machinery to just have the same resting is an industrial scale waste of resources. However, people regularly die because of drunk and tired drivers.

> How many airplanes crashed due to The pilot being on drugs? good question, but there is just no way to get an answer

Nearly every NTSB report of a major accident has a post-mortem analysis for alcohol and other drugs. (When it’s missing, it’s usually because no body was recovered.)

Every crew involved in a commercial aviation mishap knows they’ll be tested as well.

There may be no way to get an answer with 6 significant figures, but you can get a pretty good answer.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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I think the assumption you're missing in the circular argument is that gay people could be blackmailed against other entities than the FBI. For example, "give us this FBI file or else we'll release a scandalous photo of you and this gentleman to your wife" kind of a thing. Of course, as being gay becomes more normalized and less of a secret, FBI wouldn't need to take it into consideration. How true or not that thinki…

Wouldn't it be more relevant to determine if their potential hire has had an undiscovered affair in the past, or is currently cheating? Why aren't they doing this now if it was really about the potential for blackmail?

They are doing that now. I’ve had to be a reference for several people seeking security clearances and I believe every one of those interviews asked me if I thought the subject was faithful in their relationship.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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Do crabs do that?

That's the idea anyway ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality ) but honestly I haven't observed nearly enough crabs in buckets to say with confidence that it's typical for the species. It's entirely possible that a few asshole crabs have given them all a bad reputation and that I'm just perpetuating an unfair stereotype. If I get the chance to get to know more bucket crabs I'm perfectly willing to change my v…

Huh, interesting. Thanks for the link! I'd never heard of this, but I can picture it. It's a good analogy.

Re: The growing inequality of who gets to work from home

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it is neither. Otherwise, you'd see productivity being better in places that allow drug testing of normal employees and worse off in places that do not. But that's not the case: Retail employees in Norway aren't really less productive than those in the US. Plus, if it really were a productivity measure, why would you not drug test more professionals and salaried employees? Does their productivity not matter? Wouldn't…

Doing drugs may affect your productivity at work. Depending on the drug, and the circumstances. I'm sorry to say.

That doesn't mean that drug tests make for better productivity.

I didn't say that drugs never have that effect. And like you say, May. The same drug might have different effects for different folks, too.

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